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08-23-2005, 08:08 PM
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Right it looks like Fergy's plan has failed miserably in so many ways. Marleau, Vinny, Joe, Hossa, Havlat, Naslund, Morrison, and list goes on were all restricted and are locked up with Mutly years deals. So they're isn't going to be anyone young SUPERSTAR talent for free agents next summer. Say if Edmonton signs Ryan Smyth for a year he is a free agent do u think Fegy should try to sign him?
WHo said that was his plan! JFJ hasn't said what his plans are. DOn't harp on him for plans that you think he has, and with nothing to back it up!

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Can we all agree that Aki on Aki has been played out?
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No, no it's not. It became rediculous really fast. Maybe I should start on why Lumme was the best Leaf ever I think that Aki guy has had too much WAKI TabAKI.

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If leafs were in a precarious cap position it was because Gm Jr. choose to put them their by not buying out the contracts that were excessive.
For what purpose?

They have one contract that is bad, Sundin's.

Yes, they could have bought out Sundin and went after Forsberg.

That would have saved Booby Clarke from needing to dump his best player and including a pick to make him go away.

What UFA's would you have gone after?

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08-24-2005, 09:25 AM
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[QUOTE=ULF_55]For what purpose?

They have one contract that is bad, Sundin's.

Yes, they could have bought out Sundin and went after Forsberg.

That would have saved Booby Clarke from needing to dump his best player and including a pick to make him go away.

What UFA's would you have gone after?
[QUOTE]

THANK YOU!!!
The leafs had a lot of contracts, but none of them were overly onerous (excluding Nolan who WAS bought out). You could not have replaced any of the players the leafs had under contract with the same money, let alone upgraded!

The days of having two or more front line stars on your team are over (unless you develop them from within).

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THANK YOU!!!
The leafs had a lot of contracts, but none of them were overly onerous (excluding Nolan who WAS bought out). You could not have replaced any of the players the leafs had under contract with the same money, let alone upgraded!

The days of having two or more front line stars on your team are over (unless you develop them from within).
I thought they had a number of bad contracts, McCabe, Belfour, Klee amongst them. However, if anyone has actually been paying attention, the GM's have rendered those thoughts obsolete.

Only a complete dolt would not have recognized what has gone on.

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Aki is indeed a one trick pony and that trick has gotten old.

Move on, Aki. Try another shtick.

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Evegeny Nabokov will be the next goaltender to done the blue and white.

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I thought they had a number of bad contracts, McCabe, Belfour, Klee amongst them. However, if anyone has actually been paying attention, the GM's have rendered those thoughts obsolete.

Only a complete dolt would not have recognized what has gone on.
I thought that McCabe and Belfour were too high on the pay scale (less so Klee but still I agree that he WOULD have been a bit overpaid). NOW though these guys are in the right pay bracket for what they bring to the table. That's what I meant to say. You could not have bought out Klee and upgraded him for less money than he is making now. Same goes for McCabe (Belfour is somewhat questionable, but you have to start the season with a legit #1 and not having Belfour could have been disasterous...)

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I thought that McCabe and Belfour were too high on the pay scale (less so Klee but still I agree that he WOULD have been a bit overpaid). NOW though these guys are in the right pay bracket for what they bring to the table. That's what I meant to say. You could not have bought out Klee and upgraded him for less money than he is making now. Same goes for McCabe (Belfour is somewhat questionable, but you have to start the season with a legit #1 and not having Belfour could have been disasterous...)
Not everyone has picked up on the fact that buying out these players would have been a BAD idea. You wouldn't get a McCabe now for less than 4 million, Zubov and Aucoin are evidence of that. Heck, if the Leafs want to lock him up long term, he's looking at 16 million over 4 years.

I could see Kaberle as a UFA asking for 12 million over 4 seasons and getting it.

It is just crazy, but the GM's out there seem to miss out on that 24% rollback.

Leafs are lucky they had these guys locked up.

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08-24-2005, 02:16 PM
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Im sorry guys but comparing McCabe to Zubov and Aucoin is goin just alittle to far.
And yes I do know he was fourth in norris voting (which means most Dmen were average) he still isnt worth 3.6 mil on any other team.He should have been bought out.

Belfour 4.2
McCabe 3.6
Sundin 6.?
Klee 1.8
total=roughly 16 million

16 million would have bought alot more then a goalie, a center and a pair of d.

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08-24-2005, 06:05 PM
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Im sorry guys but comparing McCabe to Zubov and Aucoin is goin just alittle to far.
And yes I do know he was fourth in norris voting (which means most Dmen were average) he still isnt worth 3.6 mil on any other team.He should have been bought out.

Your argument makes no sense. If he played better than Zubov and Aucoin last season, how can we not compare the two. Also if most D-men were "average" last season, then only four D-men in the entire league could be considered "good." I honestly fail to see any logic to your argument.

Belfour 4.2
McCabe 3.6
Sundin 6.?
Klee 1.8
total=roughly 16 million

16 million would have bought alot more then a goalie, a center and a pair of d.
Um, no, no it wouldn't have.

Centres
Bobby Holik, $4.25 million
Alexei Zhamnov, $4.1 million
Peter Forsberg, $5.75 million

Forsberg is the only one of the three who would've been an improvement, he wanted to go to a serious contender and Bobby Clarke even said he was surprised at the offer he was able to make.

Defensemen
Brian Leetch, $4 million
Brian Rafalski, $4.2 million
Vladimir Malakhov, $3.6 million
Alexei Zhitnik, $3.515 million
Dan McGillis, $2.2 million
Mike Rathje, $3.5 million
Derian Hatcher, $3.5 million
Sergei Gonchar, $3.5 million
Scott Niedermayer, $6.75 million
Roman Hamrlik, $3.5 million
Adrian Aucoin, $4 million
Adam Foote, $4.6 million

Yeah, thats an affordable market.

Goalies
Nikolai Khabibulin, $6.75 million
Curtis Joseph, $900,000
Sean Burke, $1.6 million

Such wide selection and dynamic talent. Amazingly enough, JFJ also went into the market knowing that Khabibulin refused to go north of the border.


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Im sorry guys but comparing McCabe to Zubov and Aucoin is goin just alittle to far.
Zubov is 35 years old, and believe it, he isn't getting any better.

You are so overrating Aucoin. McCabe and Aucoin ARE in the same trailerpark.

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Patrick Elias is a FA next year too isnt he?

He would be a solid pickup IMO.

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Sergei Gonchar, $3.5 million
Gonchar was signed to a 5 year, $25 million and we've heard you have to average the entire contract over the length, so while Gonchar is paid 3.5 this season, he's a 5 against the Cap.

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For what purpose?

They have one contract that is bad, Sundin's.

Yes, they could have bought out Sundin and went after Forsberg.

That would have saved Booby Clarke from needing to dump his best player and including a pick to make him go away.

What UFA's would you have gone after?

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If was the operative word. The contracts for McCabe, Sundin and Belfour are a bit high but the leafs wouldn't have gained by buying these guys out.

The UFA's I liked that we should have signed are Gratton and Bondra. Bondra still available. I liked the O'neill Lindros Allison trifecta. I think that GM Jr. botched the Roberts Nieuy situation but 2 years at $2.25 mil is too high.

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Even if we don't have guys like Lecavalier, Thornton, Hossa and Iginla on the market to try to pry away, there's still Chara, Redden, McCauley, Luongo, Nabokov, Theodore and other great players to choose from. Every year there will be a crop of free agents avaliable, and with cap room we'll be able to sign a boatload like Pittsburgh. Even if we don't, I'm sure there will be a fair amount of Ontario guys who want to come play in Toronto.

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Even if we don't have guys like Lecavalier, Thornton, Hossa and Iginla on the market to try to pry away, there's still Chara, Redden, McCauley, Luongo, Nabokov, Theodore and other great players to choose from. Every year there will be a crop of free agents avaliable, and with cap room we'll be able to sign a boatload like Pittsburgh. Even if we don't, I'm sure there will be a fair amount of Ontario guys who want to come play in Toronto.
Chara and Redden will be re-signed by Ottawa....worst case they trade Redden but there is no way they come to Toronto.

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I think that GM Jr. botched the Roberts Nieuy situation but 2 years at $2.25 mil is too high.
Based on what?

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Based on what?
That the pair signed with Florida after stating they would take less to play for the Leafs. I'd call that botched.

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That the pair signed with Florida after stating they would take less to play for the Leafs. I'd call that botched.
If bringing Nieuwendyk back meant that we wouldn't have landed one of Allison or Lindros, then I don't call that botched at all.

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If bringing Nieuwendyk back meant that we wouldn't have landed one of Allison or Lindros, then I don't call that botched at all.
With 6 mill under the cap there was room.

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Im sorry guys but comparing McCabe to Zubov and Aucoin is goin just alittle to far.
And yes I do know he was fourth in norris voting (which means most Dmen were average) he still isnt worth 3.6 mil on any other team.He should have been bought out.

Belfour 4.2
McCabe 3.6
Sundin 6.?
Klee 1.8
total=roughly 16 million

16 million would have bought alot more then a goalie, a center and a pair of d.
I am not the biggest McCabe fan but you are dead wrong not equating him to Aucoin or Zubov. Aucoin and McCabe are very similar. And given the age advantage both are considrably more desirable than Zubov.

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