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04-23-2014, 01:43 PM
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Malkin on the point on the PP frightens me deeply.
He's never liked playing the point and has said so in the past. Not comfortable there, at all.

So naturally that's where the coach puts his second best player.

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One of the great mysteries of the NHL is how Craig Adams has lasted 12 years in the league. Think about that, a 9th round, waiver wire pickup from 5 years ago, is still going. It would be a remarkable success story if it wasn't so maddening.
Lots of years with the Canes. The Hawks only had him (as a bit player) on their roster for a couple of seasons. That probably should have been about the end of his NHL career.

Then along came the Penguins. Check his games played every year here compared to the other two teams he's played with. Staggering.

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Wow you are contradicting the hell out of your cheesy self.

You said that BBQ Bruce has benched Selanne in the regular season so it's not comparable to benching Adams (even though that just reinforces the point because if Anaheim can bench a hall of famer but we can't bench Adams, then something's wrong). You are validating the benching of Selanne because as you say "he's 43 years old and can't play every game".

Then you call into question BBQ's decision making. So which is it?
Cheesy self and BBQ Bruce made me laugh

Sidney was talking about benching Salanne i got the impression from his post that he thought it was a big deal that BB would bench a future HOF, when really it shouldn't be surprising at all that he benched Salanne considering he was benched all through the regular season.


I didn't say anything about Adams, my post was 100% about benching Salanne.

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Adams was a valuable 4th line contributor in '09. Doesn't mean he sucks any less, just saying he used to be an NHLer.

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Adams is younger than Selanne and twice as worthless.

I don't understand your point.
Like i said to shady i was talking about BB benching Selanne, nothing to do with Adams at all.

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Adams was a valuable 4th line contributor in '09. Doesn't mean he sucks any less, just saying he used to be an NHLer.
I won't deny that. He's certainly done his part in the past. I guess I could be mis-remembering... but I feel like he was much more limited (as far as icetime goes -- he's always been limited as a player), back then.

He was also a good player for the Canes.

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I won't deny that. He's certainly done his part in the past. I guess I could be mis-remembering... but I feel like he was much more limited (as far as icetime goes -- he's always been limited as a player), back then.

He was also a good player for the Canes.
Adams has 17 goals and is -33 in his 5 seasons in Pens. That is just hilarious.

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Adams has 17 goals and is -33 in his 5 seasons in Pens. That is just hilarious.
And to add context... in 383 regular season and 67 playoff games (6G+4A) over the course of 6 seasons with the Penguins... partial or otherwise. Like I said... staggering.

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04-23-2014, 01:56 PM
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I won't deny that. He's certainly done his part in the past. I guess I could be mis-remembering... but I feel like he was much more limited (as far as icetime goes -- he's always been limited as a player), back then.

He was also a good player for the Canes.
He was on the ice for the closing seconds of game seven of the '09 Cup, he was the one who dove trying to stop Lidstrom's shot.

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And to add context... in 383 regular season and 67 playoff games (6G+4A) over the course of 6 seasons with the Penguins... partial or otherwise. Like I said... staggering.
...and those were mostly front-loaded. I believe he has 1 point in his last 28 playoff games.

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Cheesy self and BBQ Bruce made me laugh

Sidney was talking about benching Salanne i got the impression from his post that he thought it was a big deal that BB would bench a future HOF, when really it shouldn't be surprising at all that he benched Salanne considering he was benched all through the regular season.


I didn't say anything about Adams, my post was 100% about benching Salanne.
He just used the Selanne comparison to say that if BBQ could bench Selanne, then clearly it's not out ridiculous to suggest that Bylsma should bench Adams. If a player with a proven track record like Selanne doesn't have his lineup spot cemented then why does a 4th line plugger get a guaranteed spot?

I'm not really sure if you are or aren't agreeing with the Selanne benching so it's hard to tell what your point was.

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We are really debating the effectiveness of Craig Adams?

Adams is the poster child for the type of person who should be phased out of a team every year.

That Shero feels he's never been able to replace a 37-year old 13th forward is pathetic.

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...and those were mostly front-loaded. I believe he has 1 point in his last 28 playoff games.
Excellent point. In 08-09 and 09-10 he played 37 of those playoff games and scored 5G+3A of those point totals. And I think you are correct about his last 28 playoff games. Though I don't have a game by game breakdown in front of me. I just know it's two playoff assists in the last 4 seasons (30 games), including this one.

He's also been a minus player every single season for the team, aside from his first here (9 games played - even rating) FWIW.

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We are really debating the effectiveness of Craig Adams?

Adams is the poster child for the type of person who should be phased out of a team every year.

That Shero feels he's never been able to replace a 37-year old 13th forward is pathetic.
How is Shero going to replace 40 minuses?

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Excellent point. In 08-09 and 09-10 he played 37 of those playoff games and scored 5G+3A of those point totals. And I think you are correct about his last 28 playoff games. Though I don't have a game by game breakdown in front of me. I just know it's two playoff assists in the last 4 seasons (30 games), including this one.

He's also been a minus player every single season for the team, aside from his first here (9 games played - even rating) FWIW.
He's a +3 in the playoffs in his Penguins career!!!!


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He just used the Selanne comparison to say that if BBQ could bench Selanne, then clearly it's not out ridiculous to suggest that Bylsma should bench Adams. If a player with a proven track records like Selanne doesn't have his lineup spot cemented then why does a 4th line plugger get a guaranteed spot?
Yeah, i realize what he was saying, i guess i should of just bolded the Selanne part when i responded to sidney to make it more clear what i was responding to, or maybe not respond at all since its the GDT and has nothing to do with the pens.

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He's a +3 in the playoffs in his Penguins career!!!!

Yes. Clearly yet another contract extension will be warranted.

...after the current one runs out, of course.

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He's a +3 in the playoffs in his Penguins career!!!!

when's his statue get erected?

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Not soon enough.

Move that one that's out there now, that guy doesn't have an iron man streak.

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Not soon enough.

Move that one that's out there now, that guy doesn't have an iron man streak.
oh, maybe instead of Mario giving him a gold watch when he finally retires in 2020, he'll just give him the team!

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Heh... what would Craig Adams' "statue moment" be?

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Heh... what would Craig Adams' "statue moment" be?
Showing "the" pics he has to Shero and Bylsma.

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I think that Bylsma recognizes how bad Glass and Adams are at five on five play. His coaching bears that out. In this series he's been playing them less at even strength than he did during the regular season. Glass is at 8:03 even strength minutes/game compared to 10:03 in the regular season and Adams is at 7:38 compared to 9:23 in the regular season. I don't have the shift charts handy for this but I also have noticed that when he does get them on the ice he tries to get Crosby or Malkin with them as much as possible to minimize the damage Gladams can do.

Of course I and others will note that he still seems to like using them in the last minute of games in which we have a lead. But at least even with that he's not using both at the same time. Last game our last three forwards on the ice protecting that lead were Adams, Jokinen, and I forget who else but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Glass.

Maybe it's just too small a sample size but it does seem like so far at least that Bylsma recognizes the fourth line is weak and is trying to play it as little as possible. So the question becomes if he realizes they're so weak, why dress them at all? The obvious answer is penalty killing. Bylsma (and presumably Shero) think that Glass and Adams are indispensable penalty killers. They aren't. We could get by using one or even neither of them as Sutter, Gibbons, Crosby, Kunitz, and probably Jokinen and Vitale all are capable of killing penalties. If I'm not mistaken Stempniak was used that way in Calgary too, though not here for some reason. When healthy Goc can also do it.

But either way at least Bylsma seems to be taking baby steps. Now that the games matter he is playing his toys less.

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Adams has 17 goals and is -33 in his 5 seasons in Pens. That is just hilarious.
Yeah, but if you take out that season where he was shut out in terms of goals, his stats all of a sudden look a whole lot better.

But we did sort of learn yesterday that Bylsma fears the man.

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