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06-25-2014, 03:35 PM
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I don't have a problem with shinkaruk

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There's no risk taking a small center in the back half of the first round? Yeah, tell that to the Canucks scouting staff. If Guance and Shinkaruk pan out that helps their batting average, even though Hunter is likely a winger.
Shinkaruk has been a winger the last few years. At #24, there is absolutely zero risk taking a player like that.

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Shinkaruk.. Basically a Stephen Weiss clone..

Dale must be chomping at the bit to acquire that..


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06-25-2014, 08:13 PM
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Shinkaruk.. Basically a Stephen Weiss clone..

Dale must be chomping at the bit to acquire that..
I don't really think that is an apt comparison. He's small, but he is for one, much more creative than Weiss ever was, and he's also more of a goal scorer than he ever was. He'd almost certainly play wing too, and has in the past.

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Shinkaruk.. Basically a Stephen Weiss clone..

Dale must be chomping at the bit to acquire that..
A speedy, goal scoring winger is a clone of a two-way center that lacks natural offensive instincts?

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A speedy, goal scoring winger is a clone of a two-way center that lacks natural offensive instincts?
bang on, lol.

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Shinkaruk.. Basically a Stephen Weiss clone..
hahah what? dude..

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06-26-2014, 03:47 PM
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Shinkaruk has been a winger the last few years. At #24, there is absolutely zero risk taking a player like that.
What sort of definition of risk are you using...?

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06-26-2014, 04:02 PM
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What sort of definition of risk are you using...?
At #24 you're lucky in any draft to get a player like Shinkaruk. He was ranked as a top 10 pick.

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TSN just said Tallon told them there's a 62.5% chance he takes the #1 pick. Down from 70% yesterday.

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TSN just said Tallon told them there's a 62.5% chance he takes the #1 pick. Down from 70% yesterday.
Supposedly the offers are starting to pour in

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TSN just said Tallon told them there's a 62.5% chance he takes the #1 pick. Down from 70% yesterday.
My sources are telling me that its 59.962% now. The stocks going down!


Its pathetic how every insider tweets out a different % every day

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06-26-2014, 05:07 PM
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My sources are telling me that its 59.962% now. The stocks going down!


Its pathetic how every insider tweets out a different % every day
GR has it back up to 70%

@GeorgeRichards: Dale Tallon says #FlaPanthers have two offers which are pretty good. Says 70 % they keep pick, decision made tomorrow

And that Tallon has decided who they are taking.

@GeorgeRichards: Dale Tallon says if #FlaPanthers keep first pick, decision on who will be selected is done.

m.twitter.com/GeorgeRichards


I just can't wait for it to be over. I hope we either fleece somebody or pick a good player or both so sick of watching this team lose.

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06-26-2014, 05:56 PM
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At #24 you're lucky in any draft to get a player like Shinkaruk. He was ranked as a top 10 pick.
What's that have to do with how much risk he carries as a prospect?

I'm seriously regretting using an example from my own life rather than the absolute best comparable I could think of.

Gee this is a friendly place.

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What's that have to do with how much risk he carries as a prospect?

I'm seriously regretting using an example from my own life rather than the absolute best comparable I could think of.

Gee this is a friendly place.
If he was a consensus top 10 pick before the draft, how could he have much risk if at all if he falls to you at #24?

I'm not trying to be unfriendly, I'm just not understanding how you think there was a lot of risk with that pick...

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06-26-2014, 06:26 PM
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If he was a consensus top 10 pick before the draft, how could he have much risk if at all if he falls to you at #24?

I'm not trying to be unfriendly, I'm just not understanding how you think there was a lot of risk with that pick...
If he is a consensus top-10 and he falls to the mid-20's I'd say about 15 teams would agree with me. One of which was the Canucks at 9.

Why do I think he relates well to Ho-Sang? He's a small, highly skilled CHL forward who fell hard. Ho-Sang has well-documented attitude issues and some bigger holes in his game (as you mentioned) but Hunter is not likely to be a bottom-6 winger, either. He either makes it as a scoring winger or not at all. And while I think he's just a bit different there has been talk of an attitude/respect problem with Shinkaruk for years.

So. Long story short. Shinkaruk maybe wasn't a risky pick at 24, just like Ho-Sang may not be considered 'risky' if he goes in the early/mid second, but they are both inherently higher-risk picks when compared to other, less boom/bust players.

I think we're just using risky differently. Risky to you would have been taking Shinkaruk at 9. Risky to me is taking Shinkaruk at all rather than a nice, safe two-way C or D with some size.

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What's that have to do with how much risk he carries as a prospect?

I'm seriously regretting using an example from my own life rather than the absolute best comparable I could think of.

Gee this is a friendly place.
People here get mad at you because your opinion is different, therefore wrong.

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If he is a consensus top-10 and he falls to the mid-20's I'd say about 15 teams would agree with me. One of which was the Canucks at 9.

Why do I think he relates well to Ho-Sang? He's a small, highly skilled CHL forward who fell hard. Ho-Sang has well-documented attitude issues and some bigger holes in his game (as you mentioned) but Hunter is not likely to be a bottom-6 winger, either. He either makes it as a scoring winger or not at all. And while I think he's just a bit different there has been talk of an attitude/respect problem with Shinkaruk for years.

So. Long story short. Shinkaruk maybe wasn't a risky pick at 24, just like Ho-Sang may not be considered 'risky' if he goes in the early/mid second, but they are both inherently higher-risk picks when compared to other, less boom/bust players.

I think we're just using risky differently. Risky to you would have been taking Shinkaruk at 9. Risky to me is taking Shinkaruk at all rather than a nice, safe two-way C or D with some size.
Fair enough.

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06-26-2014, 08:51 PM
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At #24 you're lucky in any draft to get a player like Shinkaruk. He was ranked as a top 10 pick.
Yet he didn't go in the Top 10. Shinkaruk fell for a reason. He had an up and down post draft year too. He's a good prospect, but he's not an elite one and the idea that Shinkaruk has better offensive abilities than Weiss ... do people forget? Weiss was a much higher end prospect who has carved out a good NHL career. If Shinkaruk comes remotely close to the career Weiss has had, it's an excellent pick.

People really don't understand prospect projections (or have incredibly short memories).

Unless you think the gap between #1 and #6 really isn't that significant at all, i'm not really keen on bridging that gap with Shinkaruk.

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Yet he didn't go in the Top 10. Shinkaruk fell for a reason. He had an up and down post draft year too. He's a good prospect, but he's not an elite one and the idea that Shinkaruk has better offensive abilities than Weiss ... do people forget? Weiss was a much higher end prospect who has carved out a good NHL career. If Shinkaruk comes remotely close to the career Weiss has had, it's an excellent pick.

People really don't understand prospect projections (or have incredibly short memories).

Unless you think the gap between #1 and #6 really isn't that significant at all, i'm not really keen on bridging that gap with Shinkaruk.
I didn't say anything about #1 and #6.

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I was watching some TSN videos and the insiders mentioned that Keith Yandle was possibly on the market. I was wondering what you guys thought about us dropping back to 12 and getting Yandle while sending back the 1st overall and a prospect. Not sure if they'd want a defenseman back or a forward, but we have enough prospects to make that work without feeling much of a hit.

Yandle would instantly bolster our defense, as well as providing that PP boost we totally lacked last year.

Think #12 is too far down for Tallon to be comfortable? Or would he gamble a bit? Thoughts?

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I was watching some TSN videos and the insiders mentioned that Keith Yandle was possibly on the market. I was wondering what you guys thought about us dropping back to 12 and getting Yandle while sending back the 1st overall and a prospect. Not sure if they'd want a defenseman back or a forward, but we have enough prospects to make that work without feeling much of a hit.

Yandle would instantly bolster our defense, as well as providing that PP boost we totally lacked last year.

Think #12 is too far down for Tallon to be comfortable? Or would he gamble a bit? Thoughts?
I think we have enough pieces to get Yandle without sending the first. The Yotes want to get someone cheaper and they also want to be a fast team (the reason why they didn't re-signed Vrbata). Also, with Yandle on the team, one of Gud and Kuli should be traded, even more so if we pick Ekblad.

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At #24 you're lucky in any draft to get a player like Shinkaruk. He was ranked as a top 10 pick.
I call it the Etem-effect. His numbers dropped significantly when Etem left, and he wasnt even PPG this season even if he played few games..

Not sold on him being a good enough piece..

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