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05-09-2014, 08:58 AM
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I would put Jernigan over Manningham right now.
Don't know if I'm that high on JJ, but I understand.

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I think the notion is that with this new offensive system, it will be more about short throws, getting the ball out quick. It will theoretically mask some offensive line deficiencies (though the line looks to be improved a bit). Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Jernigan, and Manningham are a great receiving corps fir this kind of offense.

I'm hoping for best available players today at TE, OL, DL, or LB.
That seems to be the polar opposite of the Gilbride system. But if true, like you said, it will certainly mask the O-line deficiencies.

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05-09-2014, 09:02 AM
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From what I read this is supposed to be a similar system to what was run in Green Bay when McAdoo was there and it helped their somewhat suspect o-line a lot.

Anyways, I really want help in the trenches in rounds 2 and 3 but would anyone be upset if ASJ or Amaro was the pick at 43? Our offense would have weapons that we haven't had in a long time.

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05-09-2014, 09:26 AM
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If they want to play the Peyton-esque ticka-takca 6 yard throw routine, they will need

A) A big Tight End like Ballard to open a safety valve in the middle of the field

B) Eli to ****ing pay attention and not throw a million pick-6's.

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05-09-2014, 09:27 AM
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Yeah, I can't remember the last time I was truly happy with a pick. I'm either OK with it or pissed. I think Prince was the last time I was happy.
We needed a 6'5 receiver, not a 5'11 one.

He can be very good and still fills the same sort of niche as Randle and Manningham.

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05-09-2014, 09:32 AM
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The more I think about the ODB (OBJ?) pick, the more I'm ok with it.

Dude has serious ups for a 5-11 guy. He will go get anything. And his explosiveness reminds me so much of Percy Harvin. Who is a lethal weapon when healthy. It's a bit unconventional, but I will wait to judge it fully.

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05-09-2014, 09:41 AM
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WR's have really short careers, and 12th is a high spot.

I'd like them to go out and grab either Su'a-Filo or Jace Amaro/ Troy Niklas in the 2nd round. Amaro looks like he has the ability to be the next Jimmy Graham.

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05-09-2014, 09:44 AM
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WR's have really short careers, and 12th is a high spot.

I'd like them to go out and grab either Su'a-Filo or Jace Amaro/ Troy Niklas in the 2nd round. Amaro looks like he has the ability to be the next Jimmy Graham.
As a Jet fan i wnat Amaro but i doubt he will be there at 49. I like better than Ebron because Ebron is basically a reciever and Amare is a traditional tight end

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05-09-2014, 10:18 AM
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We needed a 6'5 receiver, not a 5'11 one.

He can be very good and still fills the same sort of niche as Randle and Manningham.
They needed an outside receiver who could high point the ball.

He was the best one left in the draft. Height is meaningless if a guy can't high point it.

I still like the Greg Jennings comparison.

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05-09-2014, 10:20 AM
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I tend to agree, Hattrick

this disappointing part is you wanted to see that 6'3" receiver on the outside to replace Nicks of two (or three) years ago to complement Cruz in the slot. And perhaps an offensive lineman there, or something on the defense side would've been OK and grab the receiver, like a Lattimore or Robinson in a later round. Not star material, but still a decent complement to Cruz, who would be the #1 guy, and another area of need is addressed. There seem to be decent linemen and guys on defense available still and there are some picks left, so let's see how they finish the draft. Gotta be positive. The kid has good hands and Eli can throw, when given a couple seconds. That's a start.

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05-09-2014, 10:35 AM
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We needed a 6'5 receiver, not a 5'11 one.

He can be very good and still fills the same sort of niche as Randle and Manningham.
The thing is, ODB can jump as high as a 6'5" receiver. And he's laughably better than the other tall receiver worth anything (Benjamin). So he's a great pick.

He has so much more upside than Randle it's not even funny. Same with Manningham. ODB is on a different level than those dudes. He's a legitimate #1 WR.

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I was disappointed that Donald wasn't the pick but OBJ looks like a hell of a playmaker with the ball in his hands. I really want D-Line with the Giants 2nd pick since there's a handful of guys around but wouldn't complain if they go LB, TE, or C.

I'm not too concerned about OBJ's height. The trend seems to overrate size at CB and WR. Maybe the Giants are perceiving that smaller WRs are undervalued and they thought Beckham was a clear BPA.

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05-09-2014, 11:31 AM
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There's so much talent left.

I wish we had another 2nd round pick or had gotten back into the late 1st.

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I was disappointed that Donald wasn't the pick but OBJ looks like a hell of a playmaker with the ball in his hands. I really want D-Line with the Giants 2nd pick since there's a handful of guys around but wouldn't complain if they go LB, TE, or C.

I'm not too concerned about OBJ's height. The trend seems to overrate size at CB and WR. Maybe the Giants are perceiving that smaller WRs are undervalued and they thought Beckham was a clear BPA.
There are an awful lot of good WRs around the league that are about 6' tall

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05-09-2014, 11:56 AM
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What would it take to get another 2nd? Is a 4th this year and 2nd next year enough?

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Pryor was a great pick. With beckham gone Dennard and pryor were teh ebst options for our needs
Preferred Dennard 'cause CB is harder slot to fill.
But Pryor will be great S, a real beast.
solid pick

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Is that a phone call?
Or is he listening to the Doobie Brothers?

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Preferred Dennard 'cause CB is harder slot to fill.
But Pryor will be great S, a real beast.
solid pick

I liked Dennard as well BUT maybe his lack of speed turned some off. The jets have needed a safety for years and we got the best one in the draft who knocks guys out and is fast. Jets still have 11 picks so we can move up/down and the WR is the deepest in years

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We needed a 6'5 receiver, not a 5'11 one.

He can be very good and still fills the same sort of niche as Randle and Manningham.
Disagree, we needed a GOOD receiver with Nicks gone. R2 is maybe a good #2 option but he'll never be a #1. Right now, he's closer to a #3. ODB seems to be a guy who can simultaneously make plays with the ball in his hands AND stretch the field.

If Eli can't hit a 5'11 speedster with playmaking capability, then it's time to tank for Winston.

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05-09-2014, 01:15 PM
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Well it's virtually a lock that they draft a TE, right? Maybe they've got their eye on one of them as a big target for Eli.

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I liked Dennard as well BUT maybe his lack of speed turned some off. The jets have needed a safety for years and we got the best one in the draft who knocks guys out and is fast. Jets still have 11 picks so we can move up/down and the WR is the deepest in years
He ran the combine on a hamstring injury. But we know how these teams love numbers over film. Guy had the most dominating defensive season by a defensive back since Deion Sanders did in college. Bengals got a steal.

http://www.planetsteelers.com/stats-...best-cb-draft/

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I liked Dennard as well BUT maybe his lack of speed turned some off. The jets have needed a safety for years and we got the best one in the draft who knocks guys out and is fast. Jets still have 11 picks so we can move up/down and the WR is the deepest in years
Pryor reminds me of Brian Dawkins.

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Well it's virtually a lock that they draft a TE, right? Maybe they've got their eye on one of them as a big target for Eli.
Amaro fits the Finley role of GB's offense.

Niklas fits Coughlin's prior desire for blocking.

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Pryor reminds me of Brian Dawkins.
That's a pretty darn good on field comparison IMO.

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What would it take to get another 2nd? Is a 4th this year and 2nd next year enough?
Maybe towards the final 1/3rd of the round.

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Happy with Pryor, keep filling those holes, I would be happy with any combination of TE, WR,CB tonight.

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