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05-27-2014, 04:41 PM
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You think they will be able to in such a short time? To me it seems that the conflict will take much more time to be resolved...
Donbass' owner says so.

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05-27-2014, 06:53 PM
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Donbass' owner says so.
He knows less than Jon Snow.

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Following just the political situation, I find it hard to believe that Donbass will play next season, after their home arena was partially torched. The arena might be repairable, but the political instability in eastern Ukraine probably will preclude hockey being played there for at least part of if not the entire season. Donetsk already had to play home games in Slovakia.

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05-30-2014, 03:11 AM
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The league isn’t immune to the crisis in Ukraine. Dinamo Riga may leave the KHL due to the conflict, former Latvian President and Dinamo Riga board member Guntis Ulmanis said on March 19.
Yeah, and was immediately bashed by the fans.
Ulmanos didn't seem to understand the idea of international league too well, nor did he think his words through I think.
That was a typical populist statement that had the opposite effect.

1. Spartak
2. Metallurg Nk
3. Yugra/Sochi

That gives us 27 teams. If they can fill the remaining five spots with, for example, Red Bull Munich/Salzburg, Malmo Redhawks, Eisbaren Berlin, Valerenga Oslo, and any other Finnish, Swedish or Swiss club, that'd be great.


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05-30-2014, 03:33 AM
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Following just the political situation, I find it hard to believe that Donbass will play next season, after their home arena was partially torched. The arena might be repairable, but the political instability in eastern Ukraine probably will preclude hockey being played there for at least part of if not the entire season. Donetsk already had to play home games in Slovakia.
And probably will in 2014/2015, Slovakian media are already talking about this as a realistic alternative since Medvedev said the 2 alternatives are Minsk and Bratislava. In the spring one Play-Off game was 20,000€ (to organize) without any profit to the Slovnaft Arena's Owner which is the City of Bratislava. If they will want to play further at Slovnaft Arena on a stable basis, the price will be higher.

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05-30-2014, 08:28 AM
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Yeah, and was immediately bashed by the fans.
Ulmanos didn't seem to understand the idea of international league too well, nor did he think his words through I think.
That was a typical populist statement that had the opposite effect.

1. Spartak
2. Metallurg Nk
3. Yugra/Sochi

That gives us 27 teams. If they can fill the remaining five spots with, for example, Red Bull Munich/Salzburg, Malmo Redhawks, Eisbaren Berlin, Valerenga Oslo, and any other Finnish, Swedish or Swiss club, that'd be great.
Neither of the bolded are happening. Malmö already signed a new agreement with the arena. There's also no sponsors in Finland for two KHL teams. Even Roman Rotenberg said it's not a realistic idea.

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05-30-2014, 10:50 AM
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The political situation in the Ukraine might keep Donbass out of the KHL next season, but I don't believe the arena issue will. Druzhba Arena was burned, but isn't Kalmius Arena suppose to be operational for 2014-2015? I still believe a year or two out of the KHL is a good idea for Donbass until political stability happens in the Ukraine (it will eventually).

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05-30-2014, 12:14 PM
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The political situation in the Ukraine might keep Donbass out of the KHL next season, but I don't believe the arena issue will. Druzhba Arena was burned, but isn't Kalmius Arena suppose to be operational for 2014-2015? I still believe a year or two out of the KHL is a good idea for Donbass until political stability happens in the Ukraine (it will eventually).
no its set for 15/16 season now since the delays because of the "situation" and Ukrain is still officially doing the eurobasket 2015. They just asked for a delay and got it till June to see if they will still be organizing it. So all the arenas (6 i think) and an a new airport terminal in Odessa will be built till 2015 early spring.

I think Donbass needs to stay in KHL. they are the only driving force of hockey in Ukrain, including their regional hockey school program except the short on funds HC Kiev Berkut. They give the publicity to the sport there. i mean more than half the ice rinks are in Donetsk, Kiev and Kharkov. And Kharkov doesnt even have a proper team. Currently i am guessing they all feed Donbass with juniors since only the junior part of the clubs exist in those places. If they go out of KHL it would most likely destroy everything as i really dont know which league they would play in than.

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05-30-2014, 06:08 PM
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no its set for 15/16 season now since the delays because of the "situation" and Ukrain is still officially doing the eurobasket 2015. They just asked for a delay and got it till June to see if they will still be organizing it. So all the arenas (6 i think) and an a new airport terminal in Odessa will be built till 2015 early spring.

I think Donbass needs to stay in KHL. they are the only driving force of hockey in Ukrain, including their regional hockey school program except the short on funds HC Kiev Berkut. They give the publicity to the sport there. i mean more than half the ice rinks are in Donetsk, Kiev and Kharkov. And Kharkov doesnt even have a proper team. Currently i am guessing they all feed Donbass with juniors since only the junior part of the clubs exist in those places. If they go out of KHL it would most likely destroy everything as i really dont know which league they would play in than.
Sadly, but I think that Donbass is dead case as of now. Even if civil war would be ended (which isn't looking that way), economical state of Ukraine could prevent participating in KHL. Plus whoever wins that war, Kolesnikov business would be in serious danger.

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Sadly, but I think that Donbass is dead case as of now. Even if civil war would be ended (which isn't looking that way), economical state of Ukraine could prevent participating in KHL. Plus whoever wins that war, Kolesnikov business would be in serious danger.
well lets hope you are wrong ... I sincerely do, atleast there was no mention of it at all anywhere they are gona quite.

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I wonder, can Donbass temporarily move to Rostov may be??? There's the same arena as Druzhba being renovated the same way as Druzhba was...they wouldn't even know, they went elsewhere.

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05-31-2014, 03:59 AM
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I wonder, can Donbass temporarily move to Rostov may be??? There's the same arena as Druzhba being renovated the same way as Druzhba was...they wouldn't even know, they went elsewhere.
Relocating to Russia in this political climate? No way is that going to happen.

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Relocating to Russia in this political climate? No way is that going to happen.
Not your fault of course, but this is showing how little western media has covered the insights. rostov and donetsk are not only close in distance, but in spirit as well. Many have travaeld across the border to support shakhtior. I only suggested this as a temp meausre to weather the storm

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Not your fault of course, but this is showing how little western media has covered the insights. rostov and donetsk are not only close in distance, but in spirit as well. Many have travaeld across the border to support shakhtior. I only suggested this as a temp meausre to weather the storm
No, western media have given plenty information about all the russians in eastern Ukraine. It's probably just Urbanskog not really following. But just moving the team for a year wouldn't be a good idea anyway, I think. Too many practical problems to solve and what exactly would the fans do?

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Bye Donbas... https://my.news.yahoo.com/east-ukrai...0077--spt.html

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Looks like Lev is done....that sux

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Lev Praha Bankrupt

I had really liked KHL expansion and high quality hockey in Prague, but it was luxus. It cant work without donators, fundamentally it is smile offensive project by Russia public companies.

After Ukraine crisis i will not miss it. Maybe another one by 5 or 10 years without inflated budgets?

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej-...-a-zanika.html

I guess If there were not ban on alcohol ad, Lev would find sponsors


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If Lev fans are interested in throwing eggs on the house of whoever was the owner/presindent/head honcho in the club....sign me in...was hoping for a great game in Zagreb and a chance for revenge after horrible playoff for us and now that idea goes down the drain... So sorry to hear that...

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Not good to hear. I was expecting Helsinki vs. Praha games.

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If Lev fans are interested in throwing eggs on the house of whoever was the owner/presindent/head honcho in the club....sign me in...was hoping for a great game in Zagreb and a chance for revenge after horrible playoff for us and now that idea goes down the drain... So sorry to hear that...
There were rumors last summer that the Russian owners wanted the team to show signs of economic sustainability and success or they'd pull out their backing. I guess that happened now.

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what a shame

definitely not a good sign for the khl. lev was one of the most important part of khl expanssion but it also seems that many teams are in trouble. spartak and lev folded, donbass is on hold due to political situation, atlant, novokuznjeck, amur and few others have serious financial issues.

competeing with the nhl that has almost 4 bln $ income was serious risk and now with possibilty of escalation of the ukrainian crisis the goverment obviously decided that money is needed somewhere else.

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What I don't understand is what the owners did expect here after two seasons. And even if they have had sold out the stadium over and over again, the minus would not be much lower with these cheap ticket prices.

At the end a club like this in Central Europe is always a kind of advertising for the league itself and the funding must be sure for five to ten years minimum.


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Donbass out, Lev out, Spartak out, Riga in great uncertainty, CSKA seem to have their budget cut.. KHL is a bust!1!!

Edit: Oh and Atlant too

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Donbass out, Lev out, Spartak out, Riga in great uncertainty, CSKA seem to have their budget cut.. KHL is a bust!1!!

Edit: Oh and Atlant too
Riga now?

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What I don't understand is what the owners did expect here after two seasons. And even if they have had sold out the stadium over and over again, the minus would not be much lower with these cheap ticket prices.

At the end a club like this in Central Europe is always a kind of advertising for the league itself and the funding must be sure for five to ten years minimum.
No offence to any russians here, but it seems to be part of mentality there. They just wanted to have it bigger and bigger no matter what will be tommorrow. Just dreamers thought that this project could work.....

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