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08-25-2005, 07:59 AM
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40 year old goaltenders

I posted this in the Sens forum, thought I would also post it here. Please feel free to make additions/corrections (in case I missed something)...

Out of curiosity, I did some research on NHL goaltenders who had reached 40 years of age.

What I found:

Found seven in all, (George Hainsworth, Johnny Bower, Jacques Plante, Gump Worsley, Terry Sawchuk, Eddie Johnston, Tony Esposito).

Hainsworth played the most games as a 40 year old both regular season(48) and playoffs(9).

No 40 year old goaltender has played more than 43 games (regular season and playoffs combined) since Hainsworth in 1935/36.

Most regular season games for a 40 year old since Hainsworth was Johnny Bower (43) as a 43 year old.

Most playoffs games by a 40 year old since Hainsworth was Jacques Plante (6) as a forty year old.

Since Hainsworth, the others were mostly backup goalers.

The only one to win the cup was Johnny Bower who won in 1966-67 as a 42 year old (as Terry Sawchuk's backup)

The last time a 40 year old played in the league was Tony Esposito who played 18 games as a 40 year old in 1983/84


I bring this all up because this year two teams appear headed to start the season with a forty year old goaler as their #1, the Sens & Leafs.

Edit Correction : The most playoff games by a goaler 40 (or over) should be Jacques Plante 10 games in 1969. He had turned 40 in January.

Edit #2- Thanks to pnep, there were three other 40 (or over)year old goaltenders, Lester Patrick (1 famous playoff game), Moe Roberts (one period) and Hugh Lehman (50 games over two seasons).


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08-25-2005, 08:55 AM
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I bring this all up because this year two teams appear headed to start the season with a forty year old goaler as their #1, the Sens & Leafs.

Yes, and both of them have a history with having major injuries.
I wonder if Hasek´s groin and Belfour´s back will hold the pressure and keep up with the new pace of the game.

If I had to choose one of them on my team, I´d give Belfour a slight edge.

Hasek shouldn´t had come out of his retirement.
He was multiple Vezina & StanleyCup winner in the NHL and a living legend in the Czech Republic.
Now I´m very afraid he is going to be a "one of those guys who didn´t know when to call it a career... "
He should have done it like Patrick Roy did.
Okay, that wasn´t exactly on the top of his career also , but he was still a competitive goaltender ! Gotta respect that.

I hope the Dominator won´t be the Dumbinator..
Would be a shame to see a once great goaltender make a fool out of himself.

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Interesting stuff. I expect that some of those records may get broken this year.

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Plante was 40 years old when he played 10 playoff games in 69.

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Interesting, but there's no comparing the fitness of a player then to now. Players today, even 40-year-old ones, are in much better shape than they were then. And in the case of guys like Bower, Plante and Sawchuk, they all had very good backups in their 40s that would have affected their playing time. When Plante was over 40 and in Toronto, he split evenly with Bernie Parent, who wasn't too shabby. With Bower and Sawchuk, they split with each other.

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Interesting, but there's no comparing the fitness of a player then to now. Players today, even 40-year-old ones, are in much better shape than they were then. And in the case of guys like Bower, Plante and Sawchuk, they all had very good backups in their 40s that would have affected their playing time. When Plante was over 40 and in Toronto, he split evenly with Bernie Parent, who wasn't too shabby. With Bower and Sawchuk, they split with each other.
That is very true. Training camp used to be the time to get in shape. Now the players train close to year round.

Still though, no 40 year old goaltender playing a game since 1983-84 and no one even appearing in a playoff game since 1976-77 (Eddie Johnston) is interesting.

Edit: It was pointed out to me that Tony Esposito actually played in two playoff games right after his fortieth birthday in 1983, so he is both the last regular season and playoff goaler in the NHL heading into the 2005/06 season.


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I hope the Dominator won´t be the Dumbinator..
Would be a shame to see a once great goaltender make a fool out of himself.
Hmmm, some might argue its too late for late, in light of the goalie circus he caused in Detroit, and the off ice stuff involving his stores....


However, I think he will probably aquit himself nicely in goal. Won't be in veznia trophy form, will undoubtably get injured once or twice(Does anyone want to go over/under on Hasek injuries at 2?).
If he's about as good as 2002, I think the Sens make at least the conference finals.

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Plante was 40 years old when he played 10 playoff games in 69.
I didn't actually count that season because he turned 40 in January but that is correct.

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I predict that belfour will play 60 games this yr

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I predict that belfour will play 60 games this yr
give or take a few... i say 66 games. and then the playoffs.

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50-60 for belfour from me

belfour beats the record then

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55 - 65.. from Belfour.

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i say belfour takes both of those records this year

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Belfour will break break the records, but Hasek won't. Emery will be getting alot of games.

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Belfour will break break the records, but Hasek won't. Emery will be getting alot of games.
and Emery in net is not a pretty sight!

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Found seven in all, (George Hainsworth, Johnny Bower, Jacques Plante, Gump Worsley, Terry Sawchuk, Eddie Johnston, Tony Esposito).
found 14...

GOALIE NAME -- BIRTH DAY -- LAST SEASON
==================================
Hasek Dominik -- 01/29/1965 -- 2005- 06
Hall Glenn -- 10/03/1931 -- 1970-71
Plante Jacques -- 01/17/1929 -- 1972-73
Sawchuk Terry -- 12/28/1929 -- 1969-70
Esposito Tony -- 04/23/1943 -- 1983-84
Bower Johnny -- 11/08/1925 -- 1969-70
Belfour Ed -- 04/21/1965 -- 2005-06
Worsley Lorne Gump -- 05/14/1929 -- 1973-74
Hainsworth George -- 06/26/1895 -- 1936-37
Johnston Eddie -- 11/23/1935 -- 1977-78
Plasse Michel -- 06/01/1940 -- 1981-82
Patrick Lester -- 12/30/1883 -- 1927-28
Lehman Hugh -- 10/27/1885 -- 1927-28
Roberts Moe -- 12/12/1906 -- 1951-52

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found 14...

GOALIE NAME -- BIRTH DAY -- LAST SEASON
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Hasek Dominik -- 01/29/1965 -- 2005- 06
Hall Glenn -- 10/03/1931 -- 1970-71
Belfour Ed -- 04/21/1965 -- 2005-06
Plasse Michel -- 06/01/1940 -- 1981-82
Patrick Lester -- 12/30/1883 -- 1927-28
Lehman Hugh -- 10/27/1885 -- 1927-28
Roberts Moe -- 12/12/1906 -- 1951-52
Hasek and Belfour have not yet played an NHL game as a 40 year old. (they were the inspiration for this thread)

Plasse was born in 1948.

Hall didn't play a game as a 40 year old, his last game was in the spring 1971.

I missed Patrick...He only actually played in 1 NHL game.

Roberts played one period 18 years after his last previous NHL game .

I also didn't find Lehman who actually played all 50 of his NHL games after turning 40!

Thanks.

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Plasse was born in 1948.
thanks for correction!!

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Roberts played one period 18 years after his last previous NHL game .

Thanks.
I was going to mention Moe Roberts too, but pnep beat me to it. There was a 26 year gap between his first and final NHL appearances. Only Gordie Howe had a longer one.

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I was going to mention Moe Roberts too, but pnep beat me to it. There was a 26 year gap between his first and final NHL appearances. Only Gordie Howe had a longer one.
By the way.

Longest Gap Between NHL Appearances

Player Name - YEAR - TEAM - Age - POS - GAMES - PTS - Gap (Years)
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Roberts Moe - 1951-52 - CHI - 46 - G - 1 - 0 - 17
Hucul Fred - 1967-68 - STL - - 37 - D - 43 - 15 - 13
Zeidel Larry - 1967-68 - PHI - 40 - D - 57 - 11 - 13
Matte Roland Joe - 1942-43 - CHI- 34 - D - 12 - 2 - 12
Cherry Dick - 1968-69 - PHI - 32 - D - 71 - 15 - 11
Pelletier Marcel - 1962-63 - NYR - 36 - G - 2 - 0 - 11
Hamilton Chuck - 1972-73 - STL - 34 - LW - 3 - 2 - 10
Foley Gerry - 1968-69 - LA - 37 - RW - 1 - 0 - 10

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By the way.

Longest Gap Between NHL Appearances

Player Name - YEAR - TEAM - Age - POS - GAMES - PTS - Gap (Years)
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Roberts Moe - 1951-52 - CHI - 46 - G - 1 - 0 - 17
Hucul Fred - 1967-68 - STL - - 37 - D - 43 - 15 - 13
Zeidel Larry - 1967-68 - PHI - 40 - D - 57 - 11 - 13
Matte Roland Joe - 1942-43 - CHI- 34 - D - 12 - 2 - 12
Cherry Dick - 1968-69 - PHI - 32 - D - 71 - 15 - 11
Pelletier Marcel - 1962-63 - NYR - 36 - G - 2 - 0 - 11
Hamilton Chuck - 1972-73 - STL - 34 - LW - 3 - 2 - 10
Foley Gerry - 1968-69 - LA - 37 - RW - 1 - 0 - 10
The next time the NHL decides to make another edition of Total Hockey or a similar type of encyclopedia, they should hire you as a contributor. The amount of info you always contribute to this site is remarkable.

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Looks like expansion gave a couple of those guys a new life.

For example Dick Cherry (great name) bounced around the minors for those years between playing with Boston and Philly. There are huge gaps even in the minors, where he didn't play for years at a time. Must have had great conditioning

Moe has a good story...Roberts stepped away from the game, only to return in 1950-51, serving as the arena manager for the United States Hockey League's Millwaukee Sea Gulls. Roberts' return to the game action came after he was named as the assistant trainer for the Chicago Black Hawks and had to replace an injured Harry Lumley in a game against the Detroit Red Wings early into the 1951-52 season.

"Hey Moe stop sharpening those skates and get the pads on...YOUR IN!!!"

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By the way.

Longest Gap Between NHL Appearances

Player Name - YEAR - TEAM - Age - POS - GAMES - PTS - Gap (Years)
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Roberts Moe - 1951-52 - CHI - 46 - G - 1 - 0 - 17
Hucul Fred - 1967-68 - STL - - 37 - D - 43 - 15 - 13
Zeidel Larry - 1967-68 - PHI - 40 - D - 57 - 11 - 13
Matte Roland Joe - 1942-43 - CHI- 34 - D - 12 - 2 - 12
Cherry Dick - 1968-69 - PHI - 32 - D - 71 - 15 - 11
Pelletier Marcel - 1962-63 - NYR - 36 - G - 2 - 0 - 11
Hamilton Chuck - 1972-73 - STL - 34 - LW - 3 - 2 - 10
Foley Gerry - 1968-69 - LA - 37 - RW - 1 - 0 - 10


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and Emery in net is not a pretty sight!
Really? The Sens are fine with him.

I don't expect Hasek to play more than 55 games.

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Is this gonna be the sequel to 40 year old virgin?

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I fully expect Belfour to play somewhere close to the 60 games that he's stated that he feels comfortable with... That being said, I'd hope he'd play closer to 50 and give Tellqvist or Aubin the rest of them to give him some rest for the playoffs...

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