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05-02-2014, 08:33 AM
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We were having some discussions of this on the Pens board because one of the Pittsburgh media guys (Mark Madden) said something regarding Neal being shipped out in the offseason if the Pens flop again. He said something around Neal for Kesler is a legit possibility. He's not very credible, but he has gotten a few things right in the past (he was saying Letang was coming back for the last 3 games weeks before it happened). However, just for laughs, could a deal like this work:

Pittsburgh trades Neal and a pick/young roster forward not named Bennett
Vancouver trades Kesler and Kassian

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Seems like a dumb idea. Trading Neal (who isn't the problem) solves nothing for the Pens.

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I got as far as Mark Madden.

Seriously though, I highly doubt it. As has already been pointed out Neal isn't one of the problems, he's great with Geno, and he's on an excellent contract. Mark Madden has no insider information on who the Pens will and won't trade. It wasn't that hard to guess that if Letang was coming back this season it would be with a few games left to see if he could cut it before the playoffs. He gets one right every now and again just like everyone else. His show mostly exists to do interviews (credit where it's due even if I don't like him: he does get some good interviews) and to incite people into calling him so that he can yell at them, hang up on them, and then tell everyone how smart he is.

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05-02-2014, 08:38 AM
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Seems like a dumb idea. Trading Neal (who isn't the problem) solves nothing for the Pens.
I agree to an extent. I'd rather just put Neal with Crosby, for their games complement each other better than Neal and Malkin. However, Neal has gone on long scoring droughts in the playoffs numerous times, and when he's not scoring, he's not doing much. He definitely hasn't helped much either this year or last year in the playoffs.

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05-02-2014, 09:31 AM
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I would do Neal+Megna for Kesler+Kassian.

However the far easier solution to any woes of the second line is to just sign Kulemin.

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Kassian isn't going anywhere. I find it hilarious that you include him as a throw-in.

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Canucks wouldn't touch that deal, you guys are wayyyyyy overvaluing Neal, IMO kesler holds more value in a one for one

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Right around the Olympics Neal was the highest goals/game player in the league and 2nd behind Crosby in ppg why would you move him when hes so good with malkin and is on a reasonable contract. Replace the goalie and coach and youll be fine.

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I don't understand this move for the Pens. Why break up Malkin and Neal?

Also gor the Canucks it doesn't really make sense for us to make this trade. Maybe if we could sign someone like Stastny in the offseason then it might make sense, but really we'd most likely be looking at trying to get a high end futures piece or two.

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Canucks wouldn't touch that deal, you guys are wayyyyyy overvaluing Neal, IMO kesler holds more value in a one for one
Lol Kesler is not more valuable than Neal

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Kassian isn't going anywhere. I find it hilarious that you include him as a throw-in.
I never said Kassian was a throw in. Neal is more valuable, so Vancouver would need to add.

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Yeah. Neal is more valuable. But kassian is also more valuable to our organization than beau Bennett. You really think we would be head over heels to acquire megna?

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Canucks wouldn't touch that deal, you guys are wayyyyyy overvaluing Neal, IMO kesler holds more value in a one for one
LOL. Thanks, needed a laugh this morning.

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05-02-2014, 10:38 AM
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LOL. Thanks, needed a laugh this morning.
I don't find it that funny, Neal's a good one dimensional player, who's numbers are inflated due to his linemates, similar to dupuis and Kunitz. Kesler makes pens 100000 times better

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I don't find it that funny, Neal's a good one dimensional player, who's numbers are inflated due to his linemates, similar to dupuis and Kunitz. Kesler makes pens 100000 times better
Not really. Especially when you consider term, age and production.

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I'd consider Neal for Kesler straight up.

But I'd still be loathe to make that deal because Kesler's a better all-around player and plays a more important position.

Neal's a few years younger, though, so that makes it a bit more palatable.

Absolutely not to adding Kassian. Pens would have to pony up more than just Bennett to offset that addition.

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I think Kesler is about equal to Neal. Neal is younger, but Kesler is a much, much more well-rounded player. Pens fans are selling him short in this one.

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I'd consider Neal for Kesler straight up.

But I'd still be loathe to make that deal because Kesler's a better all-around player and plays a more important position.

Neal's a few years younger, though, so that makes it a bit more palatable.

Absolutely not to adding Kassian. Pens would have to pony up more than just Bennett to offset that addition.
It looks like we're done here then. The only way I'd do a deal involving a Kesler for Neal swap is if Kassian was included. Kassian is by no means a thow in though.

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It looks like we're done here then. The only way I'd do a deal involving a Kesler for Neal swap is if Kassian was included. Kassian is by no means a thow in though.
I guess we are done.

There really isn't a gap between Kesler and Neal, so I don't see how Kassian isn't a "throw in," then.

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No reason for the pens to trade neal. 40 goal scorer for only 5 million a year. His problem is lack of responsibility and structure, which is up to the coach to do something about... Maybe dan should stop cancelling practises and bring out the paddle for once.

The best thing would be to move neal with crosby. Their style suits each other much better than with malkin. Pens fans constantly saying sid needs a rw, theres already one there, its malkin who needs a 2 way winger and a forechecker. Pure shooters dont fit with malkin well enough

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Not really. Especially when you consider term, age and production.
Kesler's production would be insane with Croz or Malkin, have you seen who his wingers in Van have been for the past 3 or 4 seasons? Theres also the little fact that he's much better all-around, but I understand Neal is younger.

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Kesler's production would be insane with Croz or Malkin, have you seen who his wingers in Van have been for the past 3 or 4 seasons? Theres also the little fact that he's much better all-around, but I understand Neal is younger.
Exactly- and what do you think Kass would do for Crosby
Alone? Can you say space creator?

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05-02-2014, 12:45 PM
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Crosby has a space creator. He needs a shooter.

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I don't understand why the Pens would want Kesler, is it to play on the 3rd line or to make him a winger?

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I never said Kassian was a throw in. Neal is more valuable, so Vancouver would need to add.
Not a Kassian level asset. Kesler and Hansen is more doable.

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Crosby has a space creator. He needs a shooter.
Kesler is as shoot-first as it gets, those two would **** other teams up bad.

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