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05-05-2014, 02:19 PM
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I think Nyquist for Jones would be good value-wise.
Not saying Detroit / Nashville would do it, but the value would sure be there.

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05-05-2014, 02:23 PM
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Well according to the polls section with Kessel for Jones + 11th the summary seems to be "Kessel is overrated trash" and Jones is a "futre multiple Norris winner" so I think the only thing Nashville fans would consider an upgrade at this point would be Malkin / Stamkos / Crosby lol.

So much overrating of Jones so far.
Those comments weren't coming from Nashville fans.

I wouldn't trade Jones for Kessel, but not because I don't think the value is fair. If Nashville were to trade Jones, I would want a center in return, not a winger.

Kessel for Jones is fair value, just not the right piece.

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05-05-2014, 02:25 PM
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I didn't see much of drouin this year, but keep in mind he did that while losing his line mate and arguably the best player in the whole CHL in Mackinnon. Maintaining his point totals in that scenario probably does indicate improvement and shows he wasn't just a beneficiary of playing with the #1 draft pick and likely calder winner. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Drouin was playing centre this year (someone correct me if this is wrong), so showing he can excel in a more valuable position should increase his value a bit too right?
He did play C this year.

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05-05-2014, 03:25 PM
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Makes you wonder if Jones would have been better off on the Lightning and Drouin on the Preds.

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Makes you wonder if Jones would have been better off on the Lightning and Drouin on the Preds.
I'm thrilled Nashville got Seth Jones, but I still can't believe Tampa passed on him.

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05-05-2014, 07:05 PM
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I'd do the 3rd overall for Jones (one of Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitl)

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05-05-2014, 07:16 PM
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Gotta love how anyone thinks Jones is going anywhere... He is a developing future elite Blue liner.

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05-05-2014, 07:17 PM
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Those comments weren't coming from Nashville fans.

I wouldn't trade Jones for Kessel, but not because I don't think the value is fair. If Nashville were to trade Jones, I would want a center in return, not a winger.

Kessel for Jones is fair value, just not the right piece.
How is Jones worth a top 5 winger in the NHL?
He finished 7th among rookie Dmen in scoring, and was THE worst in +/-. His stock is high, but it's only gone down since draft day.

What exactly has he done as a rookie to WOW people to the extent that a team would give up a point per game, prime aged player for him?

It seems like I'm hating on the kid but i'm not. Jones will be good, but it's not like Dmen are a sure enough thing to just throw a top 5 winger at them, before they've even proven they deserve the hype.

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As for "Future Norris Winner"... I think Shea Weber is proving that's a task more difficult to complete than HF seems to think.


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05-05-2014, 07:21 PM
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JVR straight up

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Kessel for Jones + 11 OA

Building from the net out with

Bernier

Rielly-Jones

Would be a really good start. If we were selling off one of JVR/Kessel for an 19 year old, clearly we'd be selling off a number of other players. So this would be part of a rebuilding move, not just a move in isolation while sticking with the rest of our core. Also, I would prefer to move Kessel and keep JVR, given their respective ages / contracts.
i think this would be good for both sides.

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05-05-2014, 07:23 PM
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Looking at more of a 1:1 trade. Preferably someone younger with 1st line upside.
Say no more! Parenteau for Seth!

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05-05-2014, 07:26 PM
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Looking at more of a 1:1 trade. Preferably someone younger with 1st line upside.
Well, finding something with exactly the same value would be difficult.

But if you are willing to add a little, or take a little addition back in the deal, then there are many possibilities around, where other teams can find something mutually beneficial.
  • Jones + something minor for O. Palat
  • Jones for T. Johnson + 1st/good prospect
  • Jones + something minor for ROR
  • Jones + something minor for E. Staal with a lot of sal retained
  • Jones for Niederreiter + 1st/Spurgeon
  • Jones + 2nd for Eriksson + Krug
  • Jones for Oshie + decent prospect
  • Jones for Toffoli + Pearson/McNabb + 1st
  • Jones for Strome
  • Jones for Saad + Raanta
  • Jones + 3rd for B. Schenn + L. Schenn
  • Jones for Hertl + 3rd
  • Jones for Jenner + Erixon
  • Jones + Jarnkrok for Richie + Campbell + 1st
  • Jones for Steen + Schmaltz
  • Jones for Chiasson + Campbell
  • Jones + decent prospect for E. Kane
  • Jones for Grimaldi + 1st in 2015
  • Jones for Huberdeau
  • etc, etc

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05-05-2014, 07:27 PM
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I think Nyquist for Jones would be good value-wise.
Not saying Detroit / Nashville would do it, but the value would sure be there.
I don't see the value there at all. Jones is on another level value wise.

Nyquist is 24, shot 18% (unsustainable) and was on pace for 70 points. I doubt he reaches 70 points next year due to his SH% dropping.

Jones is 19 and already a #3 defender. His potential is so much higher than Gustav.

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I didn't see much of drouin this year, but keep in mind he did that while losing his line mate and arguably the best player in the whole CHL in Mackinnon. Maintaining his point totals in that scenario probably does indicate improvement and shows he wasn't just a beneficiary of playing with the #1 draft pick and likely calder winner. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Drouin was playing centre this year (someone correct me if this is wrong), so showing he can excel in a more valuable position should increase his value a bit too right?
He shed any doubt that Mackinnon was the reason he did so well. He did switch to centre and played a more playmaker role, a very Kane like style of play. He seems like he will be perfect to be the setup guy for stamkos.

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kadri plus 2016 1st for jones

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If I was nsh I'd move Weber before I moved Jones

You. Could add a lot from moving Weber and add around Jones...who is a franchise. dman in the making

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I'm thrilled Nashville got Seth Jones, but I still can't believe Tampa passed on him.
I'm still happy with the way things played out, as I don't really think there was a bad choice at 3. Jones is simply fantastic and the only thing I can think that swayed management away was rumors of Jones being a bad interview, but who knows.

Drouin could be a very special kid, not many guys have put up junior numbers like him, and considering all the St. Louis ****, maybe that was why they picked him? Don't know.

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How is Jones worth a top 5 winger in the NHL?
He finished 7th among rookie Dmen in scoring, and was THE worst in +/-. His stock is high, but it's only gone down since draft day.

What exactly has he done as a rookie to WOW people to the extent that a team would give up a point per game, prime aged player for him?

It seems like I'm hating on the kid but i'm not. Jones will be good, but it's not like Dmen are a sure enough thing to just throw a top 5 winger at them, before they've even proven they deserve the hype.

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As for "Future Norris Winner"... I think Shea Weber is proving that's a task more difficult to complete than HF seems to think.
I get what you're saying but you're putting too much stock in plus minus, especially with a team so offensively... special, and leaning on a blueline so heavily for points. I mean, Craig Smith was the third leading scorer on that team. Let that sink in, because thats sad as ****.

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Jones for Ryan Strome is fair in my eyes for both teams

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  • Jones for T. Johnson + 1st/good prospect
Johnson's my favorite player in the NHL, but sign me up.

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I expected at least Eberle. Yakupov for Jones is terrible.
Yakupov has more value than Eberle for a lot of Oiler fans. Take Eberle if you want

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Jones for Ryan Strome is fair in my eyes for both teams
Jones is probably a little bit more valuable right now, but I think the Isles are confident enough in their young defenseman, so they would probably keep Strome.

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How is Jones worth a top 5 winger in the NHL?
He finished 7th among rookie Dmen in scoring, and was THE worst in +/-. His stock is high, but it's only gone down since draft day.

What exactly has he done as a rookie to WOW people to the extent that a team would give up a point per game, prime aged player for him?

It seems like I'm hating on the kid but i'm not. Jones will be good, but it's not like Dmen are a sure enough thing to just throw a top 5 winger at them, before they've even proven they deserve the hype.

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Sorry, I was referring to the Kessel for Jones + 11th overall pick.

The only thing I can tell you is to watch this kid play and you'll get it.

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05-06-2014, 10:33 AM
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josi/jones are the future. as much as the fans would hate it I would trade weber + 3rd to florida for 1st, gudbranson + 2015 1st. take ekblad to replace weber + you add gudbranson to a very good/young d-core.

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josi/jones are the future. as much as the fans would hate it I would trade weber + 3rd to florida for 1st, gudbranson + 2015 1st. take ekblad to replace weber + you add gudbranson to a very good/young d-core.
Replace Weber with Ekblad? What?

If everything goes perfectly for Ekblad, he might have a chance to someday be as good as Shea Weber. But Nashville already has Shea Weber. Why would they trade the real Shea Weber for a chance at a Shea Weber?

Gudbranson hasn't proven anything in the NHL and would be fighting to crack the lineup with Weber/Josi/Jones/Ellis/Ekholm/Del Zotto.

The only thing appealing is in that proposal is the 2015 1st, because it could likely end up being McDavid. But I'm not willing to trade Shea Weber for a small chance at McDavid.

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Well, finding something with exactly the same value would be difficult.

But if you are willing to add a little, or take a little addition back in the deal, then there are many possibilities around, where other teams can find something mutually beneficial.
  • Jones + something minor for O. Palat
  • Jones for T. Johnson + 1st/good prospect
  • Jones + something minor for ROR
  • Jones + something minor for E. Staal with a lot of sal retained
  • Jones for Niederreiter + 1st/Spurgeon
  • Jones + 2nd for Eriksson + Krug
  • Jones for Oshie + decent prospect
  • Jones for Toffoli + Pearson/McNabb + 1st
  • Jones for Strome
  • Jones for Saad + Raanta
  • Jones + 3rd for B. Schenn + L. Schenn
  • Jones for Hertl + 3rd
  • Jones for Jenner + Erixon
  • Jones + Jarnkrok for Richie + Campbell + 1st
  • Jones for Steen + Schmaltz
  • Jones for Chiasson + Campbell
  • Jones + decent prospect for E. Kane
  • Jones for Grimaldi + 1st in 2015
  • Jones for Huberdeau
  • etc, etc
No on the Palat deal.

Yes on the Johnson deal. Prospects available: Connolly, Panik, Brown, Paquette. Or Killorn, who's not a prospect anymore. And if you take Teddy Purcell, we'll throw in a third rounder.

You could also replace Johnson with Kucherov. So it would be Kucherov + one of those prospects or Killorn (with Teddy + a third optional for you.).

Comparing Johnson to Kucherov, Kuch has the better offensive potential by a decent margin. Johnson probably won't improve much offensively, but he's already a great two-way player and that could improve.

If you're looking for a D coming back as an add-on, we can do Barberio or a minor leaguer. We can do Sustr, but his value is higher and we'd probably ask for a little extra (i.e. Jones + for Johnson and Sustr).

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