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10-03-2003, 01:33 PM
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Our top 37 prospects...

So here is our top 37 prospects as we voted on:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Ryan Whitney
3. Brooks Orpik
4. Tomas Surovy
5. Michal Sivek
6. Ramzi Abid
7. Noah Welch
8. Konstantin Koltsov
9. Sebastien Caron
10. Matt Murley
11. Erik Christensen
12. Patrik Bartschi
13. Ben Eaves
14. Ross Lupaschuk
15. Colby Armstrong
16. Maxim Talbot
17. Ondrej Nemec
18. Ryan Stone
19. Bobby Geopfert
20. Shane Endicott
21. Alex Rouleau
22. Guillaume Lefebvre
23. Rob Scuderi
24. Jonathan Filewich
25. Paul Bissonnette
26. Daniel Fernholm
27. Ryan Malone
28. Vladimir Malenkykh
29. Drew Fata
30. Tomas Duba
31. Daniel Carcillo
32. Andy Schneider
33. Michel Ouellet
34. Cam Paddock
35. Andy Chiodo
36. Stephen Dixon

After coming down from the excitement of the waiver draft, here's a little something I floated a couple weeks ago. Based on the performance in training camp, who falls, who rises, and if you really want, re-rank some of them. (Maybe keep it to top 20 so we don't K.O. the board.)

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For me... (some obviously not affected by not being at camp)

1. Fleury
2. Whitney
3. Koltsov
4. Orpik
5. Surovy
6. Welch
7. Sivek
8. Caron
9. Murley
10. Armstrong
11. Lupaschuk
12. Bartschi
13. Bissonette
14. Eaves
15. Lefebvre

I will stop at 15.

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damn after all my suggestions on who to add, I didnt make the list :p

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Here's my top 20 revised after TC. Some dropped like a stone (Abid, Sivek) but I didnt drop them too badly as they still have the chance to fulfil their potential. My high movers were Bissonnette, Malone, Armstrong and Chiodo. Bartschi also moved up but mostly due to a couple of others having disappointing camps (though reading all of the comments in the Patrik Bartschi thread on this board has me getting more and more excited about him)

1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Ryan Whitney
3. Brooks Orpik
4. Konstantin Koltsov
5. Noah Welch
6. Tomas Surovy
7. Matt Murley
8. Patrik Bartschi
9. Colby Armstrong
10. Ross Lupaschuk
11. Sebastien Caron
12. Michal Sivek
13. Ben Eaves
14. Ryan Stone
15. Paul Bissonnette
16. Rob Scuderi
17. Ramzi Abid
18. Ondrej Nemec
19. Ryan Malone
20. Andy Chiodo

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Mine :
1- Fleury
2- Whitney
3- Koltsov
4- Orpik
5- Welch
6- Murley
7- Bissonnette
8- Armstrong
9- Lupaschuk
10- Surovy
11- Sivek
12- Abid
13- Bartschi
14- Malone
15- Eaves
16- Caron
17- Scuderi
18- Endicott
19- Nemec
20- Stone

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I'd certainly move Bissonnette and Lefebvre up.

 
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1. Marc-Andre Fleury - G
2. Ryan Whitney - D
3. Brooks Orpik - D
4. Konstantin Koltsov - LW
5. Matt Murley - LW
6. Tomas Surovy - LW
7. Noah Welch - D
8. Ramzi Abid - LW
9. Michal Sivek - C
10. Sebastian Caron - G
11. Paul Bissonnette - D
12. Ross Lupaschuk - D
13. Colby Armstrong - RW
14. Ben Eaves - C
15. Patrik Bartschi - C
16. Erik Christensen (drops becuase he quit with little effort) - C
17. Ryan Stone - C
18. Ryan Malone - LW
19. Shane Endicott - C
25. Andy Chiodo - G

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I'd certainly move Bissonnette and Lefebvre up.
Why Lefebvre?
He didn't show much in camp.
He didn't crack my top 20.
I like him, but I don't see him with a big future in Pittsburgh.

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1. Marc-Andre Fleury - G
2. Ryan Whitney - D
3. Brooks Orpik - D
4. Konstantin Koltsov - LW
5. Matt Murley - LW
6. Tomas Surovy - LW
7. Noah Welch - D
8. Ramzi Abid - LW
9. Michal Sivek - C
10. Sebastian Caron - G
11. Paul Bissonnette - D
12. Ross Lupaschuk - D
13. Colby Armstrong - RW
14. Ben Eaves - C
15. Patrik Bartschi - C
16. Erik Christensen (drops becuase he quit with little effort) - C
17. Ryan Stone - C
18. Ryan Malone - LW
19. Shane Endicott - C
25. Andy Chiodo - G

Nice list though I would have liked to see Sivek a tad higher.

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Taking camp into thought...
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Ryan Whitney
3. Brooks Orpik
4. Konstantin Koltsov
5. Noah Welch
6. Tomas Surovy
7. Michal Sivek
8. Ramzi Abid
9. Sebastien Caron
10. Matt Murley
11. Ben Eaves
12. Patrik Bartschi
13. Ross Lupaschuk
14. Colby Armstrong
15. Erik Christensen
16. Maxime Talbot
17. Ryan Stone
18. Paul Bissonnette
19. Ondrej Nemec
20. Shane Endicott

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Nice list though I would have liked to see Sivek a tad higher.

PADDOCK SHOULD BE HIGHER, HE PROVED HIMSELF BIG TIME AND EARNED A CONTRACT WITH THE BABY PENS

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Say it, don't spray it.


1. Fleury
2. Whitney
3. Orpik
4. Welch
5. Koltsov
6. Bartschi
7. Duba
8. Talbot
9. Malone
9. Murley
10. Schneider
11. Armstrong
12. Goepfert
13. Eaves
14. Bissonnette
15. Stone
16. Kostopoulos
17. Christensen
18. Lupaschuk
19. Filewich
20. Rouleau
21. Chiodo
22. Lannon
23. Endicott
24. Nemec
25. Paddock

Players inelligible for the Calder I didn't include in the list, with the exception of Caron.
I factor in upside and NHL-readiness, and try to find a middle ground. Because of this, there are guys that may be high because they are closer to becoming NHL regulars (Malone, Murley) than guys with more upside that may be still be a couple years away from turning pro (Stone).

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Welch is looking pretty good. I see him becoming better than Orpik and Whitney and suprising a lot of non penguins fans.

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I'd certainly move Bissonnette and Lefebvre up.
Me too.

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How many games will Orpik play this year or will he play this year?

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baring injury or massive suckitude he'll be with us all season.

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I'm bumping this to see if anyone's opinions have been changed.

I was away when we all posted our lists vs the ones everyone voted on...

Props to Jacobv2 for having Schneider where he belongs. I advocated for him in the voting threads, but nobody listened much.:p

I'll get around to doing a top 15 or 20 soon, just thought it'd be interesting to redo this.

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27. Ryan Malone
Yikes.

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What has Schneider done to warrant being higher???

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What has Schneider done to warrant being higher???
http://pittsburghpenguins.com/team/f...arts/536.0.php

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What has Schneider done to warrant being higher???
Point per game defenseman in the NCAA? Not bad for a guy recruited for his defensive qualities.

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Point per game defenseman in the NCAA? Not bad for a guy recruited for his defensive qualities.
Well so far this season he hasn't been that impressive (and so shouldn't ranked higher) and to boot, it's COLLEGE for god's sake!!!!
When in hell you guys are going to give more credit to pros than juniors???
Until Schneider proves himself in the AHL or NHL, I don't consider his college career as a perfect indication of what he's going to be.
Until he's there I give more credit to guys like Endicott or Lupaschuk.
I also claimed for oh so many months that Lupaschuk was developing nicely, only to be flamed by some posters (if not most).
And now everyone is on the bandwagon.
I see no reason to jump on Schneider's right now.

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Well so far this season he hasn't been that impressive (and so shouldn't ranked higher) and to boot, it's COLLEGE for god's sake!!!!
When in hell you guys are going to give more credit to pros than juniors???
Until Schneider proves himself in the AHL or NHL, I don't consider his college career as a perfect indication of what he's going to be.
Until he's there I give more credit to guys like Endicott or Lupaschuk.
I also claimed for oh so many months that Lupaschuk was developing nicely, only to be flamed by some posters (if not most).
And now everyone is on the bandwagon.
I see no reason to jump on Schneider's right now.
It might seem that everyone is aboard the Lupaschuk bandwagon (except sadly the Pens coaching staff). However, it is only recently that he has shown the improvements a lot of us were hoping he would. His improved play, especially in his own zone, has almost all of us thinking his next stage of improvement is at the NHL level.

As for Schneider, I too feel he has some promise. I cannot say I have seen him. My opinion is solely from articles, info, and from other posters comments. I think he has a decent chance to turn into a NHL blueliner but he may lose out in a numbers game, as Whitney, Welch, Orpik, Lupaschuk, Bissonnette, Rouleau, Melichar, Roszival and Nemec all may be fighting for Pens defenseman jobs in the next year or two.

Of course, some may be viewing our defensive prospects as saviors to the rather woeful unit we currently are fielding.

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Well so far this season he hasn't been that impressive (and so shouldn't ranked higher) and to boot, it's COLLEGE for god's sake!!!!
When in hell you guys are going to give more credit to pros than juniors???
Until Schneider proves himself in the AHL or NHL, I don't consider his college career as a perfect indication of what he's going to be.
Until he's there I give more credit to guys like Endicott or Lupaschuk.
I also claimed for oh so many months that Lupaschuk was developing nicely, only to be flamed by some posters (if not most).
And now everyone is on the bandwagon.
I see no reason to jump on Schneider's right now.
Whitney and Welch are in the same position, and a lot of people (maybe you too, but not sure exactly) are already saying that they will be very good, so why can't we say the same for Schneider? Because he's not as highly touted?

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It might seem that everyone is aboard the Lupaschuk bandwagon (except sadly the Pens coaching staff). However, it is only recently that he has shown the improvements a lot of us were hoping he would. His improved play, especially in his own zone, has almost all of us thinking his next stage of improvement is at the NHL level.

As for Schneider, I too feel he has some promise. I cannot say I have seen him. My opinion is solely from articles, info, and from other posters comments. I think he has a decent chance to turn into a NHL blueliner but he may lose out in a numbers game, as Whitney, Welch, Orpik, Lupaschuk, Bissonnette, Rouleau, Melichar, Roszival and Nemec all may be fighting for Pens defenseman jobs in the next year or two.

Of course, some may be viewing our defensive prospects as saviors to the rather woeful unit we currently are fielding.
No. Lupaschk has improved ever since he went from -25 or something to -2 last year (can't remember the exact numbers).
He didn't improve magically this summer.

GOPENS 63 : Nope. Whitney and Welch have some pedigree. Whitney especially. Schneider was a late pick for a reason, and while I hope he gets to the NHL, odds are against him.
Welch and Whitney on the other hand are expected to be studs.
Right now, I'd rather have a Scuderi than a Schneider. One is an established pro, while the other is playing well in college. And to project Schneider as high as Whitney or Welch is really premature.

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