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05-05-2014, 12:50 PM
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Energy Management

In game 2 I saw a Rangers team that never looked more tired. AV gave the Rangers a complete off day the day before, but was that enough? Is there anything else the Rangers can LEGALLY (Let's not get into illegal drug discussion here, spare me) do to ensure that the team will be ready for today and future games?

First let's talk about the basis of energy management;

Sleep


Sleep aids have long been used in the league, albeit quietly. I personally use melatonin as a natural supplement. It works great and isn't some funky mix of chemicals. I'm not sure what the team is using for sleep, if they're even using anything at all, but I hope they're taking melatonin because it's harmless, effective and natural.

Diet

They're professionals so I would hope they know they need to a ton of carbs specifically for energy.

Energy Supplements

pre-work out, redbull, 5 hour energy, coffee (coffee isn't the best because it dehydrates you unfortunately), etc. I don't know the intricacies of league rules regarding basic energy supplements but I don't see why any of these would be illegal in the NHL. If there are no silly rules against this then the team needs to be taking some kind of energy supplement between periods.

Energy conservation on the ice

This is based on how Suter stays on the ice for inhuman amounts of time, which is just by being conscious of energy usage and not going balls to the wall for all your shifts. Again this is something they're likely aware of already, but need to be even more aware of than ever.

Fresh legs

Put Fast, Miller and/or Diaz in the lineup. Get Kreider in there ASAP as well.

Again, to be explicitly clear, I am NOT advocating for any illegal substances to be taken in any way.

What are some other ways the team can boost their energy? Do you think they're already managing energy to the best of their abilities or do you feel like the team's personel can do a better job? (Ex. Making sure sleep supplements are taken, carbohydrate macros are met, etc ) There's obviously no way to confirm what they are or are not doing, this is just speculation on our part about what they are doing and what they can do.


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05-05-2014, 12:59 PM
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Remember 2 seasons ago when it was the style of play making the team tired? Now its the schedule.

Couldnt be that this is a very good team that isn't on the same level as the top 5-7 teams in the league, could it?

Nahhhh! Thats crazy.

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Remember 2 seasons ago when it was the style of play making the team tired? Now its the schedule.

Couldnt be that this is a very good team that isn't on the same level as the top 5-7 teams in the league, could it?

Nahhhh! Thats crazy.
Pittsburgh hasn't looked like a top 5-7 team in any of the 8 games they've played.

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One way to do it, is to infuse some guys into the line-up for a game who have fresh legs. Fast and maybe Diaz.

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One way to do it, is to infuse some guys into the line-up for a game who have fresh legs. Fast and maybe Diaz.
Agreed. Added Diaz and Miller under the fresh legs part.

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Yeah! A condensed schedule has absolutely no effect on fatigue. Naaahhhh.

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Another great way to conserve energy is to win series in less than 7 games.

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Yeah! A condensed schedule has absolutely no effect on fatigue. Naaahhhh.
I see where we're going with this. Being Lundqvist was incredible last night, its awfully tough to scapegoat him. Next stop is the schedule being used an excuse.

The Penguins being a much more talented team up front is another factor I like to incorporate, but that one implies it wasn't outside factors/excuses that caused the Rangers to lose. Something thats awfully tough for cockeyed optimists to get their heads around -- Probably because its an issue that goes beyond having a red bull.

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Pittsburgh hasn't looked like a top 5-7 team in any of the 8 games they've played.
We can argue where the Pens belong in the league but they have carried the play for most of the series.

This team had a golden opportunity to take control of this series with the three PPs in the opening half a period or so. Do we want to blame the harmless PP on fatigue too?

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Pittsburgh hasn't looked like a top 5-7 team in any of the 8 games they've played.
They looked like one last night, especially in the last 50 minutes of the game.

But oh right, its because the Rangers were tired.

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They looked like one last night, especially in the last 50 minutes of the game.

But oh right, its because the Rangers were tired.
The Rangers were tired. You would have to be brain dead to not see that. The Penguins also executed better than the Rangers.

None of that means the Penguins have been some forced to be reckoned with. They've looked decent.

I doubt neutral observers are impressed with either teams.

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There is so much being placed on the Rangers being tired. Pittsburgh has played only one less game. The refs hosed us. The schedule makers hosed us. At some point, one needs to call a spade a spade. Up until the end, it was the most lopsidedd 1-0 game I recall.

And it is not just last game. Game 6 in Philly was a no show as well.

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None of that means the Penguins have been some forced to be reckoned with.
I do not disagree. However, they looked much better than the Rangers.

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We can argue where the Pens belong in the league but they have carried the play for most of the series.

This team had a golden opportunity to take control of this series with the three PPs in the opening half a period or so. Do we want to blame the harmless PP on fatigue too?
The Penguins have been decent. The Rangers have been decent at best, awful most of the time.

Like I said in the other thread, the Rangers have barely been able to string together a few crisp passes. If that doesn't change they aren't beating any team in a 7 game series.

So the whole "I-told-you-so-the-Penguins-are-ELITE-the-Rangers-are-not!!!" argument is just silly. Neither team has played anywhere near up to potential.

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I do not disagree. However, they looked much better than the Rangers.
They looked much better than the Rangers last night, no doubt. Crosby and Malkin were noticeable. They still didn't look anywhere near the team that won 51 games in the regular season. They looked like the team that blew a bunch of 2 goal leads in the first round.

I don't know who the Rangers looked like. The Rangers struggles in the regular season were usually tied to massive and horrific defensive breakdowns. Last night they just looked sedated. Fatigue is a factor, certainly. Playing 2 sets of back to back games in the playoffs is a joke. But while fatigue can effect your execution there is no excuse for being unable to connect with simple passes, or stay onside or not take idiotic penalties or any of the multitude of other simple mental errors they have been making.

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Another great way to conserve energy is to win series in less than 7 games.
If we swept Philly in the 1st Rd., and the Rangers played as they did last night, the excuse would be the downtime negated the Ranger's momentum.

Seriously! The Ranger's aren't a bantam hockey team that pulled an all-nighter for Mrs. Snottyface's European History exam. If the Ranger's can't find the energy for first home game of the second round at MSG, we shouldn't even be debating the power play. If this team needs a case of Red Bull to be ready, this team would have some serious problems.

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Coming home for game 3 should get them going.

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If we don't want to be reading the same excuses in the ECF it would be a good idea to win this series in less than seven games as well.

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Another great way to conserve energy is to win series in less than 7 games.
Doesn't change the fact that we got a raw, raw deal.

The Pens played ONE less game than us. JUST ONE.

We shouldn't have to deal with the schedule we were given here. Its outright ridiculous. People can crack the wise comments all they want about the 7 games. Rangers were the only team to play a b2b in the first round, which happened to be games 6 and 7, are the only team to play a b2b this round, and are the only team to not have 2 days off in a row at any point in their 2nd round series.

Those factors together are just ridiculous, plain and simple.

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Doesn't change the fact that we got a raw, raw deal.

The Pens played ONE less game than us. JUST ONE.

We shouldn't have to deal with the schedule we were given here. Its outright ridiculous. People can crack the wise comments all they want about the 7 games. Rangers were the only team to play a b2b in the first round, which happened to be games 6 and 7, are the only team to play a b2b this round, and are the only team to not have 2 days off in a row at any point in their 2nd round series.

Those factors together are just ridiculous, plain and simple.
I can also say since the Penguins played ONE less game that us JUST ONE they don't really have that much of an advantage here. They should be tired too - not to mention that the Pittsburgh-Columbus series was MUCH more physical than the Rangers-Flyers series.

It probably comes down to arena availability, and there is nothing anyone can do about that - except win the first round in less games. Advantage to the victors, as it should be.

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Doesn't change the fact that we got a raw, raw deal.

The Pens played ONE less game than us. JUST ONE.

We shouldn't have to deal with the schedule we were given here. Its outright ridiculous. People can crack the wise comments all they want about the 7 games. Rangers were the only team to play a b2b in the first round, which happened to be games 6 and 7, are the only team to play a b2b this round, and are the only team to not have 2 days off in a row at any point in their 2nd round series.

Those factors together are just ridiculous, plain and simple.
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Those factors together are just ridiculous, plain and simple.
Those factors are not the reason this team does not want to go to the dirty areas of the ice. Those factors are not the reason that the Pens skate unimpeded through the blue line.

Figure out what can be done about the above, and the Rangers will be in a much better position for a win. Instead of complaining about refs and schedules.

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Those factors are not the reason this team does not want to go to the dirty areas of the ice. Those factors are not the reason that the Pens skate unimpeded through the blue line.

Figure out what can be done about the above, and the Rangers will be in a much better position for a win. Instead of complaining about refs and schedules.
We will never really know how much of an effect it really had, theres no way to know.

You're right, it doesn't change the fact that the Pens are the better team and doesn't change the powerful felling I have during these games that we are a large underdog here.

Pens have carried play, and I never got a feeling in either game that we could win. Truly was shocked when we managed to steal game 1.

Last night felt like a better team doing what they had to do to win. A better team winning a game when they need to and the Rangers couldn't do a damn thing about it.

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Doesn't change the fact that we got a raw, raw deal.

The Pens played ONE less game than us. JUST ONE.

We shouldn't have to deal with the schedule we were given here. Its outright ridiculous. People can crack the wise comments all they want about the 7 games. Rangers were the only team to play a b2b in the first round, which happened to be games 6 and 7, are the only team to play a b2b this round, and are the only team to not have 2 days off in a row at any point in their 2nd round series.

Those factors together are just ridiculous, plain and simple.
All the more reason to finish off teams in less than 7.

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This does show us how much pull Sather has with the league. Zero.

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