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05-07-2014, 02:19 PM
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Hartnell can stay, just as long as he's not being used in a role that is simply above his current ability.

He can still make a terrific checking forward. Especially if you tell him not to focus on scoring goals, but just being strong on the forecheck and on the backcheck, he can be a useful player.

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05-07-2014, 02:20 PM
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Yeah, Hartnell is underrated defensively. The contract is bad though.

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Hartnell can stay, just as long as he's not being used in a role that is simply above his current ability.

He can still make a terrific checking forward. Especially if you tell him not to focus on scoring goals, but just being strong on the forecheck and on the backcheck, he can be a useful player.
He has to still be used in a scoring role. They're not going to pay him 4.75 million a year to do basically what they're asking Rinaldo to do.

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Yeah, Hartnell is underrated defensively. The contract is bad though.
You have to agree tho, it was a fair contract based on what he could have gotten in free agency after he just scored 37 goals

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05-07-2014, 02:25 PM
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4 goals in his last 29 playoff games
Playing with #28
signed for 4 more years

at least get him away from the 1st line if he stays
Ok, but who then?

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05-07-2014, 02:26 PM
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Replace Hartnell with who? Don't say McGinn because he will never ever replace what Hartnell can do. Plus, this post season was not kind in general for the offense.
put #10 or #17 on the 1st line
hartnell's had 3 bad playoffs in a row now

#19 and #17 on the 1st PP unit is redundantly redundant

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05-07-2014, 02:29 PM
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You have to agree tho, it was a fair contract based on what he could have gotten in free agency after he just scored 37 goals
Yeah, someone was gonna pay him. Look what a less established Clarkson got.

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Yeah, someone was gonna pay him. Look what a less established Clarkson got.
Curious, were there ever people that thought that Clarkson was better than Hartnell?

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I'm not sure why everyone is crapping on Hartnell all of the sudden because of one series where the whole team struggled to score? He's been a Flyer for seven seasons now. This past season was his third best in terms of production. He was never going to score 37 goals again.

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I am sad to see Homer go. He had the most guts of any GM in the league. However I am very encouraged to hear what Hexy has had to say. Build through the draft, analytic mind, and knowing that the problem with this team is the forwards and how they fit together.

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I'm not sure why everyone is crapping on Hartnell all of the sudden because of one series where the whole team struggled to score? He's been a Flyer for seven seasons now. This past season was his third best in terms of production. He was never going to replicate that 37 goal campaign from three years ago.
Hartnell just finished his 7th year as a Flyer...

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Hartnell just finished his 7th year as a Flyer...
Ninja edit lol. My brain is fried at work today.

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Curious, were there ever people that thought that Clarkson was better than Hartnell?
The Maple Leafs and nobody else.

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I HATED what Hartnell was turning into under late-stage Laviolette, but he seems to have found his groove again under Berube. I'm one of the few fans that likes him with Giroux and Voracek. He enhances puck control by creating space and getting them the puck. You don't necessarily want three creative players on the same line, because there isn't enough puck to go around.
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put #10 or #17 on the 1st line
hartnell's had 3 bad playoffs in a row now

#19 and #17 on the 1st PP unit is redundantly redundant
It works, though.


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Question...is he taking Luukko's spot?
I don't think he'll have the same exact role, but it sounds like he may have some of the same duties. Kevin Lowe and Brian Burke have the same role for their respective teams. I guess it's suddenly in to follow the Oilers front office model.

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The Maple Leafs and nobody else.
I wonder if there are STILL some that do .

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Yeah, Hartnell is underrated defensively. The contract is bad though.
I don't like the length but don't really have a problem with the cap hit. He's mostly been a secondary scorer his career here except for an odd year or two where he played above it. The Flyers need to find a suitable first line winger to take over for him so he can slide back down a line to where his talents are more suitable.

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I don't think he'll have the same exact role, but it sounds like he may have some of the same duties. Kevin Lowe and Brian Burke have the same role for their respective teams. I guess it's suddenly in to follow the Oilers front office model.
The difference being that Holmgren isn't as aggressively arrogant as Lowe.

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I don't like the length but don't really have a problem with the cap hit. He's mostly been a secondary scorer his career here except for an odd year or two where he played above it. The Flyers need to find a suitable first line winger to take over for him so he can slide back down a line to where his talents are more suitable.
Winner! They were asking the guy to play above his head, and more importanly, above his pay grade. His cap hit is certainly in line with that of a second liner's.

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It works, though.
Yeah I don't think they're redundant. Other than their "style" I guess, Hartnell lines up in between the circles for his patented one-timer, while Simmonds stands to the side of the net, or screens the goalie. It works. I don't think you could put Simmonds at Hartnell's spot, or really Hartnell in Simmonds'.

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Curious, were there ever people that thought that Clarkson was better than Hartnell?
I'm sure there were some Leafs fans who thought he would score 50 after he signed with them.

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Winner! They were asking the guy to play above his head, and more importanly, above his pay grade. His cap hit is certainly in line with that of a second liner's.
If you compare Hartnell to other "comparable players" though, he is actually playing at a discounted rate comparable to his production. Guys like Ryane Clowe or David Clarkson aren't half as productive as Hartsy and make the same/more!

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I'm not sure why everyone is crapping on Hartnell all of the sudden because of one series where the whole team struggled to score?
he was sub-par all season
and worse than that during the short year last season

his type of game is not going to age well for a player who is already a piss-poor skater

I'd move him while he's still a somewhat attractive asset-in fact, I'd move him over any one else [forwards] we've spoken of moving-vinny, schenn jr, etc.

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Typical half empty glass person huh? Go root for Edmonton and the land of suck. You would be one of the first to raise a stink if this team went in the crapper for years. Is that what you want? With no guarantees of winning anything? I have been a Flyer fan from day one and today is a great day for the organization and it's fans. For me the future is very bright. To bad you think this team has no future as far as being a team who can contend for the cup, because it's leaders have no clue. But that is your opinion which everyone has a right to have.
Not quite sure how you imagined all this based on a mostly tongue in cheek post..lighten up dude. I know age starts to affect people's sense of humor....but this is ridik and so is the "I'm a bigger fan than you" adolescent retorts.....jeesh.

Learn to discern actual reasoned opinion from sardonic humor....

Having said all this...Holmgren was an average GM and had questionable financial acumen so it is good that he has stepped up or down however one sees it. However, as,much as I endorsed Hextall back in October with his own thread, since he seemed like the logical successor, there still is a lot of unknowns from a rookie GM. I remain cautiously optimistic about the trajectory of this team going forward with Hexy which has been spinning its wheels under Holmgren...

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he was sub-par all season
and worse than that during the short year last season

his type of game is not going to age well for a player who is already a piss-poor skater

I'd move him while he's still a somewhat attractive asset-in fact, I'd move him over any one else [forwards] we've spoken of moving-vinny, schenn jr, etc.
How do you define sub-par? I mean... 52 points isn't exactly a terrible year. If you're looking at his par to be 60 points, then I guess it's sub-par, but then your expectations are too high.

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