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05-09-2014, 09:03 AM
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Using a compliance buyout on Nash instead of Richards would be idiotic. I don't think the market for Nash would be as barren as the media is making it out to be. If he wanted to run away with his tail between his legs, I don't think the NMC would be as much of a problem either. Many teams have problems attracting players with that kind of notoriety as free agents, so there's bound to be a team that might want to take a shot on him finding his game again in a smaller market.

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keep stralman. not the problem at all. hes been mostly excellent.

keep klein. again, hes a solid 3rd pair defensive guy with a cap friendly deal.

lets not kid ourselves, is mcilrath gonna be any better than klein? prob no.

allen is a possibility but hes not a defensive only guy so he may have to take a spot from moore or diaz. one of those guys is toast.

our miserable drafting bites us in the ass again. now stepan is being exposed for what he truly is. a 2/3 c playing way over his head. maybe the least productive per minutes played playoff of his young career. looks over matched and dare i say kinda lazy. hes in a tough spot. playing 1st line minutes without the skill and speed to play there. no real chance of success. his skating is a problem.

ck gets an incomplete from me. hasnt played in the playoffs and lacks consistency. has all the measurables but does he have the brains and the intuitiveness to be a scoring power forward ?

mcilrath hasnt helped us a bit since he was drafted, meanwhile, guys drafted after him are playing major roles for playoff teams. again, drafting matters.

signing older free agents with scoring ability that come here and stop scoring is getting old. very surprised msl hasnt stepped up. he looks confused and tired. nash just doesnt care. im convinced of that.

this team is seriously lacking an impact, skating centerman who can play top line minutes. we are beyond weak at center. again, the organization is lacking here top to bottom. drafting ?

jt miller needs to play center but hes best suited as a 3 and may top as a rugged 2 way 2. hes not a 1. brassard not a 1. dom moore played as good as anyone down the stretch. beever is the closest we have and hes gone in the summer.

this team is a hot mess right now. no vision. no plan. no one to score goals. and most depressing, no ability to pick kids on draft day in round 1 that will help us.

trade for a 1c or draft one who can be ready soon. thats our biggest need

keep the core. blow the rest up.

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Nash will score 30 goals. He had 20 plus this season missing 17 games with the concussion. 20 plus in the lockout year missing 4 games with a concussion. His playoff performance is lousy. Maybe Sather should have thought about that before making the trade. The Rangers still need Nash to make the playoffs next season. All of the Ranger fans on twitter started the Nash amnesty stuff after reading Ken Campbell. His contract doesn't carry the recapture penalties. $7.8M is a high cap hit but Sather knew what he was getting.

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Is there any world where Anaheim would entertain a Staal for Fowler swap?

What about Staal and Hagelin for Fowler and DSP?

What about J. Moore and Hagelin for Fowler?

Or am I dreaming? /DMB

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05-09-2014, 09:13 AM
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His core points aren't wrong.

But it's written with such an obvious agenda. Disgraceful writing. He's like a pissed 12 year old.
We can't tear down. Sather was stupid enough to make THIS year the conditional instead of next years. What good will tearing down do us when Tampa owns our pick next year, regardless of whether its 1st or 30th? Could you imagine giving away the pick that became McDavid? That would be par for the course though.

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We can't tear down. Sather was stupid enough to make THIS year the conditional instead of next years. What good will tearing down do us when Tampa owns our pick next year, regardless of whether its 1st or 30th?
Oh my ****ing God, the **** storm that will ensue if the Rangers are in the lottery next year, and somehow win it, and McDavid/Eichel go to TB.

Oh. My. God.

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Using a compliance buyout on Nash instead of Richards would be idiotic. I don't think the market for Nash would be as barren as the media is making it out to be. If he wanted to run away with his tail between his legs, I don't think the NMC would be as much of a problem either. Many teams have problems attracting players with that kind of notoriety as free agents, so there's bound to be a team that might want to take a shot on him finding his game again in a smaller market.
Agreed. Even stepping back from Richards' age and a potential recapture penalty, lets look at how these 2 were acquired.

Richards cost only money, only a free agent contract. Nash cost 4 assets...to buy him out 2 years later would be a failure beyond comprehension.

Theres still some value for a guy that will give you 30 goals a season, and he does have some trade value if the Rangers decide to drive him out of town. One things for sure, hes not the guy the Rangers thought he was.

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Oh my ****ing God, the **** storm that will ensue if the Rangers are in the lottery next year, and somehow win it, and McDavid/Eichel go to TB.

Oh. My. God.
I would simply stop watching hockey. Not even joking.

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Is there any world where Anaheim would entertain a Staal for Fowler swap?

What about Staal and Hagelin for Fowler and DSP?

What about J. Moore and Hagelin for Fowler?

Or am I dreaming? /DMB
You're dreaming.

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Agreed. Even stepping back from Richards' age and a potential recapture penalty, lets look at how these 2 were acquired.

Richards cost only money, only a free agent contract. Nash cost 4 assets...to buy him out 2 years later would be a failure beyond comprehension.

Theres still some value for a guy that will give you 30 goals a season, and he does have some trade value if the Rangers decide to drive him out of town. One things for sure, hes not the guy the Rangers thought he was.
We all knew this though. Maybe we didn't know that he was going to be THIS putrid but... I think deep down we all knew he wasn't going to perform up to par.

Maybe we can trade him to Tampa bay and get our 1st rounder back for next year. I would make that trade 3 times over without even thinking.

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Oh my ****ing God, the **** storm that will ensue if the Rangers are in the lottery next year, and somehow win it, and McDavid/Eichel go to TB.

Oh. My. God.
The hypocrisy of that *****-fest would be absolutely hilarious to witness. After all of the "we'll never tank for picks" and "the Rangers would probably draft a shutdown D anyway" and "MSL is a former Art Ross winner! Picks mean nothing!" crap, to see people *****ing about that would probably make my head explode.

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The hypocrisy of that *****-fest would be absolutely hilarious to witness. After all of the "we'll never tank for picks" and "the Rangers would probably draft a shutdown D anyway" and "MSL is a former Art Ross winner! Picks mean nothing!" crap, to see people *****ing about that would probably make my head explode.
Hypocrisy?

There is a major difference between being a bumble team that doesn't make it while winning the lottery vs being a team that sucks large amounts of *** and finishes in the bottom 3.

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Agreed. Even stepping back from Richards' age and a potential recapture penalty, lets look at how these 2 were acquired.

Richards cost only money, only a free agent contract. Nash cost 4 assets...to buy him out 2 years later would be a failure beyond comprehension.

Theres still some value for a guy that will give you 30 goals a season, and he does have some trade value if the Rangers decide to drive him out of town. One things for sure, hes not the guy the Rangers thought he was.
He certainly isn't, and I fully admit I was wrong about him as well. However, I still think Richards has fallen further from what he was supposed to be than Nash has, and therefore he's the easy choice for a compliance buyout. For all intents and purposes, he's a 3rd line center who chips in 50 points and runs the worst PP in the playoffs. He doesn't kill penalties, and he's slowing his line down. I'd just give Brassard his QO and let him fill that roll for $3M cheaper.

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He certainly isn't, and I fully admit I was wrong about him as well. However, I still think Richards has fallen further from what he was supposed to be than Nash has, and therefore he's the easy choice for a compliance buyout. For all intents and purposes, he's a 3rd line center who chips in 50 points and runs the worst PP in the playoffs. He doesn't kill penalties, and he's slowing his line down. I'd just give Brassard his QO and let him fill that roll for $3M cheaper.
I agree. I think we definitely should keep Brass. He is a bit inconsistent but overall he has been a good player for us.

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We all knew this though. Maybe we didn't know that he was going to be THIS putrid but... I think deep down we all knew he wasn't going to perform up to par.

Maybe we can trade him to Tampa bay and get our 1st rounder back for next year. I would make that trade 3 times over without even thinking.
This is a guy that was supposed to come in an be the final piece offensively.

Hes got too much talent (and theres too many bad teams out there) to not put up around 30 goals in the regular season. That playoffs are a different animal, and hes been just about as bad as one could imagine there.

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The hypocrisy of that *****-fest would be absolutely hilarious to witness. After all of the "we'll never tank for picks" and "the Rangers would probably draft a shutdown D anyway" and "MSL is a former Art Ross winner! Picks mean nothing!" crap, to see people *****ing about that would probably make my head explode.
It would be equally amusing and horrifying. Good thing the odds are slim.

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This is a guy that was supposed to come in an be the final piece offensively.

Hes got too much talent (and theres too many bad teams out there) to not put up around 30 goals in the regular season. That playoffs are a different animal, and hes been just about as bad as one could imagine there.
Personally, the playoffs are more important. I could handle him scoring 25 goals a season if he turned it up in the playoffs.

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I agree. I think we definitely should keep Brass. He is a bit inconsistent but overall he has been a good player for us.
its not even a question. brass is worth a contract.

buy out beever. hes done. but then the problem is we then are left with sloth like stepan as the 1c.

brass as the 2 and miller as the 3 ?


not very competitive.

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It shouldn't even be a question of where the centers we have should line up. Stepan is a very good 2C who can fill in as a first line center if necessary, but shouldn't be relied upon to do that. Brassard is a 3C who can fill in as the 2C if necessary. This team needs a first line center if they're truly going to compete for a cup. You can't ask a bunch of guys at the most important position on the ice to play over their heads and expect a championship. It doesn't work like that.

Does it need to be a guy who is going to pot 100 points? No, but it needs to be a guy who can generate offense and be a threat on more than 75% of his shifts.

They also need to realize that Nash is a perimeter player who just happens to be 6'4 and mislabeled by the media as a "power forward" and line him up with at least one guy who can crash the net and hound pucks. It's not a coincidence that he's been most successful with guys like Hagelin and Kreider as opposed to Richards and MSL.

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Probably just trying to get some attention, but Kadri and Gardiner are players the Rangers could really use.

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its not even a question. brass is worth a contract.

buy out beever. hes done. but then the problem is we then are left with sloth like stepan as the 1c.

brass as the 2 and miller as the 3 ?


not very competitive.
I agree. We do need a #1C. Richards needs to go. Stastny isn't the answer but neither is gutting the team to get a #1C. We need to be realistic about it though. Fantasy proposals for players like Barkov etc. who are not much more than pure potential at this point but will command the price tag of a well established #1C, are ridiculous.

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Stepan hasn't looked like a 2C this playoffs.

He has looked like a peewee player with a hole in his stick.

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It shouldn't even be a question of where the centers we have should line up. Stepan is a very good 2C who can fill in as a first line center if necessary, but shouldn't be relied upon to do that. Brassard is a 3C who can fill in as the 2C if necessary. This team needs a first line center if they're truly going to compete for a cup. You can't ask a bunch of guys at the most important position on the ice to play over their heads and expect a championship. It doesn't work like that.

Does it need to be a guy who is going to pot 100 points? No, but it needs to be a guy who can generate offense and be a threat on more than 75% of his shifts.

They also need to realize that Nash is a perimeter player who just happens to be 6'4 and mislabeled by the media as a "power forward" and line him up with at least one guy who can crash the net and hound pucks. It's not a coincidence that he's been most successful with guys like Hagelin and Kreider as opposed to Richards and MSL.
you know what, i dont even care about size and what ever.

i watch zuke play his game and hes perhaps the most complete forward we have. 100% effort. he engages. he will scrum. hes a deft passer with vision and hes got a snipe shot. and he plays all 3 zones.

dude has heart. i respect him and his game a ton. and hes midget size on top of it all.

while rick nash just makes no sense at all....

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you know what, i dont even care about size and what ever.

i watch zuke play his game and hes perhaps the most complete forward we have. 100% effort. he engages. he will scrum. hes a deft passer with vision and hes got a snipe shot. and he plays all 3 zones.

dude has heart. i respect him and his game a ton. and hes midget size on top of it all.

while rick nash just makes no sense at all....
He is the most frustrating player to watch. Do you think we could snag a 1st for him and sign a RW in FA to replace him?

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Probably just trying to get some attention, but Kadri and Gardiner are players the Rangers could really use.
Not sure if I agree on Kadri. He is more of what they have in Step/Brasaard. Would not help with diversity of scoring. Bolland would be a much better fit to anchor a 3rd line IMO but not for the outrageous contract he is seeking. I like Gardiner but I would imagine the Leafs value him pretty highly.

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