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08-26-2005, 07:12 PM
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My kingdom for realistic trades

Looks like a *lot* of people need a refresher on how to make a realistic trade. What to look at:

1. Teams trade to fill weaknesses, dealing from strength when they can. Most the people here seem to understand this part, but you still get a few yahoos who try lateral trades (similar for similar). You only see trades like that when one of the parties is demanding to leave or has personal issues with where he's at.

2. Teams have budgets. If your trade has a close-to-cap team taking on ten million in salary, rethink the trade.

3 (the one SO many people ignore). Just because your trade fills weaknesses and is salary-compatible does not make it a reasonable, realistic trade. The trade must also be roughly EQUAL VALUE. Not every GM is Milbury. If your team has a plethora of goons and needs scorers, and another team has a plethora of scorers and wants a goon, offering a goon for a scorer isn't going to get it done, because scorers are worth much more than goons 99% of the time. It doesn't matter if a team wants a depth defenseman, they're not going to give up a premium player to get one; #5-6 defensemen are everywhere. And no one wants another team's trash, no matter how many of them you pile on.

4. 4th round picks and lower are virtually worthless. If you think you need to throw one in to make a trade more "equal", then you're not offering enough.

5. First round picks are premium assets. Teams do not throw them into trades lightly. Unless your trade includes very high quality players moving around, don't bother.

6. If you're in a position where you're forced into dumping salary, your players are worth a third of their usual value, if that.

7. Quality prospects are always overvalued by their own team and undervalued by everyone else. Take this into consideration if you're trying to get or move one.

Probably a hopeless cause, and probably a few I'm forgetting, but hey at least I can look God himself in the face and say I tried...


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08-26-2005, 07:17 PM
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Looks like a *lot* of people need a refresher on how to make a realistic trade. What to look at:

1. Teams trade to fill weaknesses, dealing from strength when they can. Most the people here seem to understand this part, but you still get a few yahoos who try lateral trades (similar for similar). You only see trades like that when one of the parties is demanding to leave or has personal issues with where he's at.

2. Teams have budgets. If your trade has a close-to-cap team taking on ten million in salary, rethink the trade.

3 (the one SO many people ignore). Just because your trade fills weaknesses and is salary-compatible does not make it a reasonable, realistic trade. The trade must also be roughly EQUAL VALUE. Not every GM is Milbury. If your team has a plethora of goons and needs scorers, and another team has a plethora of scorers and wants a goon, offering a goon for a scorer isn't going to get it done, because scorers are worth much more than goons 99% of the time. It doesn't matter if a team wants a depth defenseman, they're not going to give up a premium player to get one; #5-6 defensemen are everywhere. And no one wants another team's trash, no matter how many of them you pile on.

4. 4th round picks and lower are virtually worthless. If you think you need to throw one in to make a trade more "equal", then you're not offering enough.

5. First round picks are premium assets. Teams do not throw them into trades lightly. Unless your trade includes very high quality players moving around, don't bother.

6. If you're in a position where you're forced into dumping salary, your players are worth a third of their usual value, if that.

7. Quality prospects are always overvalued by their own team and undervalued by everyone else. Take this into consideration if you're trying to get or move one.

Probably a hopeless cause, and probably a few I'm forgetting, but hey at least I can look God himself in the face and say I tried...

Hey Ike:

God sent me an e-mail (said you 'weren't on his list' - whatever that means ) and says it's pretty much futile to try for a 'realistic trade' on these boards - in fact it's an oxymoron. Nobody's fault - just homers being homers. Even he himself proposed trading Theodore straight up for Luongo, JBo, Weiss and Jokinen. If you get the jist....

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08-26-2005, 07:22 PM
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Looks like a *lot* of people need a refresher on how to make a realistic trade. What to look at:

1. Teams trade to fill weaknesses, dealing from strength when they can. Most the people here seem to understand this part, but you still get a few yahoos who try lateral trades (similar for similar). You only see trades like that when one of the parties is demanding to leave or has personal issues with where he's at.

2. Teams have budgets. If your trade has a close-to-cap team taking on ten million in salary, rethink the trade.

3 (the one SO many people ignore). Just because your trade fills weaknesses and is salary-compatible does not make it a reasonable, realistic trade. The trade must also be roughly EQUAL VALUE. Not every GM is Milbury. If your team has a plethora of goons and needs scorers, and another team has a plethora of scorers and wants a goon, offering a goon for a scorer isn't going to get it done, because scorers are worth much more than goons 99% of the time. It doesn't matter if a team wants a depth defenseman, they're not going to give up a premium player to get one; #5-6 defensemen are everywhere. And no one wants another team's trash, no matter how many of them you pile on.

4. 4th round picks and lower are virtually worthless. If you think you need to throw one in to make a trade more "equal", then you're not offering enough.

5. First round picks are premium assets. Teams do not throw them into trades lightly. Unless your trade includes very high quality players moving around, don't bother.

6. If you're in a position where you're forced into dumping salary, your players are worth a third of their usual value, if that.

7. Quality prospects are always overvalued by their own team and undervalued by everyone else. Take this into consideration if you're trying to get or move one.

Probably a hopeless cause, and probably a few I'm forgetting, but hey at least I can look God himself in the face and say I tried...

Unfortunately intelligence isn't a prerequisite for membership. A pity. But your post is a noble effort none the less.

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Hey Richard III, you're beating your head against a wall with this thread. Like your horse, reasonableness amongst HF posters has long since left the barn.

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Even he himself proposed trading Theodore straight up for Luongo, JBo, Weiss and Jokinen. If you get the jist....
so you're saying that God is a Hab's homer then?

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Just your kingdom??

Get real!

Ummmm... no deal.

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so you're saying that God is a Hab's homer then?
Bingo! just paraphrasing what was in the e-mail...

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Trade you a third round pick for your kingdom.

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3rd? I'd offer no more then a 4th.

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How about Heatley for Hossa and deVries???

Either that or:

To Boston: Bertuzzi, Luongo, Datsyuk, Vancouver's 1st
To Detroit: Samsonov, Jokinen, Jovocop, Huselius
To Florida: Thornton, Cloutier, Gill, Detroit's 1st
To Vancouver: Bouwmeester, Horton, Raycroft, Detroit's 3rd
To Washington: A good spanking from all 29 other teams, Bondra's cellphone # from Atlanta, and his agent's number from Ottawa and Philly.


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hm. nice info.

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Hey Ike:

Nobody's fault - just homers being homers. Even He himself proposed trading Theodore straight up for Luongo, JBo, Weiss and Jokinen. If you get the jist....
Hahaha, that was a good one

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3rd? I'd offer no more then a 4th.
I'll give you Montador, Koltsov, Hossa, Hainsey and a pick.

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08-27-2005, 10:48 AM
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I'd also add that arguments like:

The Islanders would do this trade because it's Mad Mike,

or

Florida will trade Weiss for little because he's 'not a Keenan player' are stupid as well.

If you have to justify a trade by saying a team will do it because their GM is crazy, you're reaching.

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