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Future PIT Moves Should They Lose

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05-13-2014, 07:33 AM
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Future PIT Moves Should They Lose

Dreger on TSN Radio this morning.

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Dreger on TSN Radio "if the Pens lose I think Ray Shero needs to take a hard look at player personnel"

@Hope_Smoke 34m
Dreger "the Pens have a lot of money locked up into that core. It might be time to move Malkin out."

@Hope_Smoke 34m
Dreger "there are those, close to Crosby, who say he thinks it's time to get him better wingers"

Dreger out to lunch here? Just filling time? Trying to create smoke so his in-law doesn't have to answer questions about Phaneuf?

Discuss.

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05-13-2014, 07:43 AM
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There is no possible trade involving Malkin that would improve the pens

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Is he really wrong though? A lot of people have been saying this for a long time. Not necessarily move Malkin, but the core needs a shakeup. Fleury and Letang would be my first moves.

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Meh...mostly just speculation and opinion. Personally, I think it may be time for a slight shakeup, but not a major one. I mean, they're once again one game away from yet another ECF. Why trade major pieces now?

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There is no possible trade involving Malkin that would improve the pens
I mean, there is. The question is whether under the current salary system it could be executed. As great as Malkin is, does Pittsburgh win more games with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, and Sutter or does Pittsburgh win more games with Crosby, Backes, Tarasenko, Sobotka, Neal, and Kunitz. That of course wouldn't be the complete deal (Malkin/Sutter for Backes/Tarasenko/Sobotka), but I think that team can attack you in more ways and do it with more potent lines 1 through 4. Malkin is a very special player, but this isn't ancient Greece. Cups aren't won with chosen champions, but with well-constructed armies.

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Meh...mostly just speculation and opinion. Personally, I think it may be time for a slight shakeup, but not a major one. I mean, they're once again one game away from yet another ECF. Why trade major pieces now?
I bet they'd try and move someone else like Letang first.

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CBJ might have one more fan if they move Malkin. I'd think long & hard about my ability to support a team that's actively trying to get worse.

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Find a way to get some real wingers. A more consistent starting goalie would help, but at this point I don't see MAF as the team's biggest problem. They desperately need better wingers in the top 6.

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Trade Malkin ?

Dregs has gone full ... again .

If Pens lose I could see them trading or buying out MAF and looking for a new home for Letang to free up cap space and add a few pieces for the latter .

The team needs better/more physical wingers and an upgrade on D and net or at least a cheaper goalie that's on par with MAF .


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Find a way to get some real wingers. A more consistent starting goalie would help, but at this point I don't see MAF as the team's biggest problem. They desperately need better wingers in the top 6.
Purcell would be available for a 2nd round pick.

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Dreger is an idiot. Both Neal and Letang would be moved before Malkin. If we had Staal still, maybe you could slightly justify moving Malkin. But we don't. Unless we're getting something crazy like Kessel, JVR and Kadri, I'm not even considering it.

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Is he really wrong though? A lot of people have been saying this for a long time. Not necessarily move Malkin, but the core needs a shakeup. Fleury and Letang would be my first moves.
Other team's fans who want Malkin have been saying this, sure. I agree about Letang being my first move though. If the Penguins look to free up salary, they'll do it from the back-end rather than the forward group.

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Dreger is an idiot. Both Neal and Letang would be moved before Malkin. If we had Staal still, maybe you could slightly justify moving Malkin. But we don't. Unless we're getting something crazy like Kessel, JVR and Kadri, I'm not even considering it.
Fact is, you would get something crazy.

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Pens are built in a way that Malkin and Crosby both have to play god-mode if they want to win it all. And that's hard in the playoffs.

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Call me crazy but I've been saying for a while that the Pens should trade Malkin to distribute the depth better across their bottom 9 lines.

I guess I am crazy after all.

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If Detroit had something of interest for Pittsburgh, Malkin would look good with Datsyuk But it's never going to happen.

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Fact is, you would get something crazy.
But historically, even discounting the Gretzky and Lindros trades (both of which were extreme circumstances), the return you get for a player like Malkin tends not to be as crazy as moving him out would be.

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I don't see how you win a trade where you are giving up Malkin. No team is going to gut their roster of players for him, I don't think Pitts would be able to even add many players before hitting the cap ceiling. There's no realistic deal out there that could force Pitts to move Malkin.

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Dreger on TSN Radio this morning.

‏@Hope_Smoke 37m
Dreger on TSN Radio "if the Pens lose I think Ray Shero needs to take a hard look at player personnel"

@Hope_Smoke 34m
Dreger "the Pens have a lot of money locked up into that core. It might be time to move Malkin out."

@Hope_Smoke 34m
Dreger "there are those, close to Crosby, who say he thinks it's time to get him better wingers"

Dreger out to lunch here? Just filling time? Trying to create smoke so his in-law doesn't have to answer questions about Phaneuf?

Discuss.
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Should the Pens lose, they should ship out their hardest working superstar who is always there for them during the most important moments.

If anyone is getting traded it is Kris Letang.

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I could see Malkin moving. It would make sense. Crosby is going to retire a Penguin. He has won a cup already, he's fine. That being said he want to win another and will. I see Malkin moving for a roster player (winger), prospect and a pick (or two depending on the players involved.) I don't know, just spit balling.

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Other team's fans who want Malkin have been saying this, sure. I agree about Letang being my first move though. If the Penguins look to free up salary, they'll do it from the back-end rather than the forward group.
Its not just fans. Theres plenty of media talk about how the core is very expensive but then the talent level plummets to below average.

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Dreger is an idiot. Both Neal and Letang would be moved before Malkin. If we had Staal still, maybe you could slightly justify moving Malkin. But we don't. Unless we're getting something crazy like Kessel, JVR and Kadri, I'm not even considering it.
Agreed with Neal and/or Letang before Malkin

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If they want better wingers for Crosby - why not just play Malkin with him? They are terrific together.

Then work out a trade for a good 2nd line C like Kesler.

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But historically, even discounting the Gretzky and Lindros trades (both of which were extreme circumstances), the return you get for a player like Malkin tends not to be as crazy as moving him out would be.
Fact is, that wasn't a cap world. It has to be money in, money out. That means teams will need to offer up established players with real track records and with real salaries. That is part of why I suggested a deal based around Malkin/Sutter for Backes/Tarasenko/Sobotka/picks. Those old deals are not comparable as teams just threw a multitude of picks, prospects, and money at teams because neither team had to worry about breaking league mandated rules on spending. Players also made less, further simplifying the money issue.

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They'd be crazy to trade him. If Crosby did want better wingers, use picks, prospects, and some of those young d-men to get him one.

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