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05-27-2014, 11:36 PM
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Prust/Moore hits

Did you hear the play by play guys from NY?!

Prust's hit was late. It should have been penalized in the game but not worthy of a suspension imo. The hit was completely clean minus the fact it was late which the league admitted in their review.

Moore's hit is both late and dirty. Watch the elbow follow through. Not comparable at all. It will be interesting to see what the league will do. It seems to me the league hands out punishment based on injury, not based on the act itself. It drives me crazy. Stepan was doing a lot of screaming after his hit. Pretty nimble jaw for it being broken. I don't see how his jaw could even get broken on that play.

Also I am totally impressed by how classy Alain Vigneault is. I hope he is back behind the Habs bench at some point in the future.

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05-27-2014, 11:39 PM
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Prust hit totally deserved a suspension. We'd be losing our minds if if Dorsett had done this to say, Gallagher. It's an illegal hit and it caused (or at least contributed to) an injury.

I agree they're not comparable though. The hit on Weise was almost all head and Moore goes out of his way to make the hit after the two of them were going at it all game. The only people who think the hit is the same are Bruins/Rangers fans and Sens fans trying to keep themselves relevant.

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05-27-2014, 11:52 PM
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But if a clean hit is suspension worthy only because it is late, there would have to be suspensions handed out every game. I guarantee you if that play happened anywhere but open ice, nothing would have happened.

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05-28-2014, 12:02 AM
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The real problem isn't Prust's actions, he merely tried to stir his team up, after they injured Price and tried to intimidate the Habs. After the Bruins,who would have figured the NYR's too play even dirtier hockey?

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05-28-2014, 12:10 AM
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Very different hits.

Prust was a tad later, but Moore was clearly blindside and clearly straight to the head. I mean, Weisse's helmet was unstrapped from his head, FFS.

I'd say give him 5 games. So that's the next two and the first three games next year...

But yeah, HFBoard is probably saying Prust was worse and since a penalty was called on the ice that time, Moore should get less than 2 games.

Rangers played very dirty tonight. And that's good, gets them off their game and anyways, we have Prust back for Thursday.


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Even if Moore had decided to go for a clean hit (shoulder to shoulder) instead of this hit, he should have still been called for a charging penalty. He takes way too many strides before reaching Weise for the hit.

As for this hit, I think giving him 2 games would be fair.

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05-28-2014, 12:25 AM
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John Moore is a fringe player. The Rangers can thrive without him.

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05-28-2014, 12:27 AM
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So equal punishment with Prust for a much dirtier hit is fair?

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05-28-2014, 12:30 AM
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So equal punishment with Prust for a much dirtier hit is fair?
I'd say it's a tad unfair for Moore, because, you know, he's not a dirty, diving, whining Habs!


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But if a clean hit is suspension worthy only because it is late, there would have to be suspensions handed out every game. I guarantee you if that play happened anywhere but open ice, nothing would have happened.
This wasn't just late. It was quite late. And he definitely went out of his way to make that check.

He also makes contact with his head. I know this isn't popular consensus among some Habs fans but the contact is there.

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05-28-2014, 01:58 AM
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Any word about Dorsett's head butt to weaver? Should be at least a game

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05-28-2014, 02:17 AM
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This wasn't just late. It was quite late. And he definitely went out of his way to make that check.

He also makes contact with his head. I know this isn't popular consensus among some Habs fans but the contact is there.
You're allowed hitting the head if you make full body contact. Prust made full body contact, he was just late in delivering the hit.

Moore did not make full body contact only clipping the right shoulder of Weise while also hitting the head. This is why he is getting a call for a headshot, and Prusts was for a a late hit.

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05-28-2014, 03:35 AM
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Lots more clean head contact on the Moore hit to my eyes.

That will be factor in the punishment, but the way these things work (apparent) lack of injury will be a factor the other way.

Unless Weise gets one of those delayed reaction broken jaw things that can sometimes happen

Not sure whether Moore has any previous?

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05-28-2014, 05:50 AM
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Good bye Carcillo. Good bye Moore. Good bye Dorsett. Welcome back Prust. Who's gonna protect the Ranger's now?!

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05-28-2014, 06:18 AM
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John Moore is a fringe player. The Rangers can thrive without him.
I found him to be a decent 6th defense with some size, grit, and speed. Also he's pretty young.

Going blindside and head hunting Weise was the stupidest thing he could've done though. Rough him up after the whistle or get back at him with a good clean hit, don't wuss out and cheap shot him.

The hits can look similar at first glance, but Prust actually makes contact with Stepan's body whereas Moore's hit is all head. Two games.

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05-28-2014, 07:11 AM
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I found him to be a decent 6th defense with some size, grit, and speed. Also he's pretty young.

Going blindside and head hunting Weise was the stupidest thing he could've done though. Rough him up after the whistle or get back at him with a good clean hit, don't wuss out and cheap shot him.

The hits can look similar at first glance, but Prust actually makes contact with Stepan's body whereas Moore's hit is all head. Two games.
I actually thought Moore's hit was worse. He targeted the head. Prust didn't but my gut tells me Moore is getting one game.

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If Prust got two for his, Moore should get 3, I'd say. Also late, and right to the head. Good job, dummy.

Just make it 2 games, though. He'll have all summer to think about it.

edit: if he's suspended, do we see Diaz play?!

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Lol Dreger said this morning that it's a zero or 1 game suspension .

If that's the case then **** the National Hokey League.

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Any word about Dorsett's head butt to weaver? Should be at least a game
is there a scheduled hearing about that one?

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05-28-2014, 08:47 AM
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I think a major factor will be the call on the ice. Prust got nothing, incorrect call, and Moore got 5 and a game, the correct call. Will the NHL tack one on? I don't think so because of the call on the ice, but if he gets 1 game, I wouldn't be surprised.

Prust's hit was later and I think he has priors.

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John Moore is a fringe player. The Rangers can thrive without him.
Yep - but with Carcillo, Miller, and now Moore down, you are tapping into depth that you would otherwise prefer not to use.

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Prust deserved the suspension. It was late and blindside.

Moore's was not late by definition, but he targeted the head, which I don't think Prust did. I think the birds eye view of the Prust hit shows that.

Moore should and will be suspended. The Habs need to take advantage of the weak Diaz.

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05-28-2014, 08:58 AM
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BIGGEST difference between the two;

Prust had a hearing for a late hit that was considered interference.

Dorkette has a hearing for a hit to the head.

The NHL's crack down on head shots will continue with this one. I expect no less than two games because:

-It was a hit to the head.
-The hit caused a "possible" injury.
-It was pre-meditated.

Prust got a game for the hit and a game for the injury. This hit will get a game or two for the hit to the head and possibly a game for it being pre-meditated. The only thing Moore has going for him is that this is a first time offense.

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05-28-2014, 08:59 AM
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Pre-mediated: they had a history all game long. He was trying to destroy Weise. Clear as day.

Moore hit WAY "dirtier" than Prust's. And hit to the head at that speed, I mean, how can you even argue that?

Should be at LEAST 2 games, possibly mo(o)re.

As for Dorsette...that's at least 2 games too.

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The NHL could send a message here and give this turd 2 games, after they set precedence with Prust...but Quintal ha always been a gutless turd and won't want to look like he's favoring his old team. I bet he gets nothing.

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