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05-18-2014, 12:57 PM
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Trade Schenns + swap 1sts for Evander Kane
Trade Vinny/Grossman for Picks
Trade Pronger + picks to Cap floor team
Sign Statsny and Montoya

FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m)/ Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m / Paul Stastny ($7.500 / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m) )
Jason Akeson ($1.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m / Adam Hall ($0.800m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($3.000m) / Robert Hagg ($.925m)
Mark Alt ($0.782m) /

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)

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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,370,000; CAP SPACE; $1,730,000

Hexy saying he wants his team strong down the middle (no kidding, right?) and the Flyers interest in Kessler (I think the Pens trade for him this summer) makes me believe the Flyers will be heavily interested in Stastny.. Homers comments saying how Schenn has developed slower than expected and thus remains unsigned leads me to believe he will be delt'

Lines 1-3 each have a playermaker in Giroux, Voracek, and Akeson with snipers and a board player to retrieve the puck. Line 4 is defensively reliable and with Raffls & Laughtons speed should surprise on offense as well.

I think we can roll with a young D and allow them to grow on the big club. Offense is 4 lines deep and an overall much faster team. Strong down the middle and a more mobile defense and faster team will allow the Flyers to be much better off the rush, as a lot of times Grossman or L. Schenn kept us in our zone with a bad outlet pass or were beat to the puck on a dump in.

In the first round of the draft i'd move up and grab the best player available. But for the Flyers to be competitive, they must improve their team speed and rely on a couple ELC's. Mason was the real deal in the playoffs. Giroux and Voracek need to be split to carry the play on the 1st and 2nd lines, each have snipers for them to set up.
I also think Ghost and Hagg would learn a lot from Kimmo, them being around such a great player at practice everyday will allow them to learn a lot of good things from him as apposed to being with the phantoms. I think Kimmo and the vets will help accelerate their growth as a player.

If Hartnel is having a decent year but management wants to move on, he could be delt at the trade deadline and perhaps a trade for Ryan if he remains unsigned.
That is literally exactly how the Islanders defense got so bad.

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No it isn't, they didn't really play together.

When they were paired together here they had a CF% close to 60. I would much rather have them be the 2nd pairing than Grossmann and Streit.

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People seems to think timmo will take a 50% paycut if he stays another year, why should he?

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People seems to think timmo will take a 50% paycut if he stays another year, why should he?
Because otherwise there's no incentive for the Flyers to keep him.

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People seems to think timmo will take a 50% paycut if he stays another year, why should he?
Agreed. I think him taking a significant pay cut is just wishful thinking and won't happen if he returns. I might be wrong, but I don't see him earning less than $4 mio., and even that's on the low side.

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Agreed. I think him taking a significant pay cut is just wishful thinking and won't happen if he returns. I might be wrong, but I don't see him earning less than $4 mio., and even that's on the low side.
Then Kimmo can hang up his skates or try to find employment elsewhere.

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Then Kimmo can hang up his skates or try to find employment elsewhere.
It could work if kimmo signed just after pronged went on ltir and just attended camp without a contract.

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05-18-2014, 02:27 PM
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Then Kimmo can hang up his skates or try to find employment elsewhere.
Sure, I'm just saying that I think your opinion is not held by people that will be making the decisions.

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He could skip camp and a month of two of the season.

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05-18-2014, 04:22 PM
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He could skip camp and a month of two of the season.
Wow, I love that idea. Flyers could use Prongers LTIR money on him.

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05-18-2014, 04:40 PM
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FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Jason Akeson ($0.715m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Dennis Rasmussen ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m) / Mark Alt ($0.782m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Tim Thomas ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,460,000; BONUSES: $826,667
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,640,000

This is assuming that Timonen will not come back, which is what I think will happen. If he does return, keep Gostisbehere in the minors for the year and let him get used to the pro game (although I believe he will push for a spot out of camp).

Trade Grossmann and Vinny for anything you can get. Vinny doesn't have a place on this team and he's taking ice time away from Schenn and Couturier. Grossmann is redundant with Coburn, Luke and MacDonald.

Vanek is a pipe dream, admittedly, but I'd love for the Flyers to sign him. He would be wonderful next to Giroux and Voracek. If not him, Moulson could be another option. Akeson showed he can play, and if the reports of Rasumussen being interested are true, he would help carry the defensive load on that line with Laughton. With those 3, we have 4 difficult lines to play against.

Backup is pretty arbitrary, I don't know much about backup free agents coming up, but Mason is our guy of course.

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05-18-2014, 07:58 PM
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Backup is pretty arbitrary, I don't know much about backup free agents coming up, but Mason is our guy of course.
Anyone but Thomas.

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05-18-2014, 08:59 PM
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isn't prongers cap hit these last two years of his contract only 750k?? if so hes not a big issue cap wise

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isn't prongers cap hit these last two years of his contract only 750k?? if so hes not a big issue cap wise
Salary is only 525k in 15-16 and 16-17. Cap hit doesn't change at 4.9.

http://capgeek.com/player/316

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He could skip camp and a month of two of the season.
Very realistic, I'm sure he'd be up to that after thinking real hard about whether to play at all and finally deciding that he does want to do it.

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FORWARDS
Jason Akeson ($1.100m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.250m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / R.J. Umberger ($3.542m—23.00%)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($5.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Kimmo Timonen ($3.000m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Jason Labarbera ($1.600m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,805,333; BONUSES: $708,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $294,667

I personally think Niskanen is a pipedream. Hopefully we can trade Vinny and Grossmann. Umby would be ideal for a two-way third line,could probably get him for a good price.

Otherwise, I like our roster.

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Sorry for the format of this roster. closest I could get to you guys. Hearing that Havlat could be bought out by the Sharks, piqued my interest for him for the 3rd line. I'm sure there would be other teams interested in him, So I was generous in his salary. Taking a 2 year contract might allow us to develop guys like Cousins and Leier, although Akeson looked able to take that 3rd line wing position. I'd love to keep Coots and Read together on the same line.

Laughton Called up, see how he performs as 4C, with Hall in there for support and PKing. switch up Schenn and Laughton the odd time to see how Laughton meshes with Hartnell and Simmer. I think we'd all be surprised as they seem to play a similar style. If Laughton pans out, maybe we can package Schenn bros for something at the deadline.

I'm not opposed to having Laughton on the 2nd with Harts and Simmer, as the Coots line and G's line will garner the toughest minutes.

Signed Cammalleri(Generously) Camm speeds up the 1st line and with a proven finishing touch.
Signed Robidas (Generously) As the token 35+ contract for the offseason. Best D on the UDA market we can realistically get. Would love Josi, Gardiner or even Franson in that spot but don't want to sacrifice the assets.
Sign Montoya - looks like the only UFA Goalie that we'd want. Has a lot of starts under his belt and for poor teams. I think there will be a lot of interest in him this summer.

EDIT: Ghost w/ LSchenn. Schenn tends to stay back, and needs a good puck mover to compliment his style. Schenn would open up Ghost to work his magic and know the other D (Who can't catch up anyways) is covering off the defensive aspect.

LTIR Pronger
Traded Vinny, Rosehill and Grossmann for some pucks, old sherwood 5350's, some Easton aluminum shafts, and a shooter-tutor.
Kimmo Retires

Mike Cammalleri($6,000,000) - Claude Giroux($8,275,000) - Jakub Voracek($4,250,000)
Scott Hartnell($4,750,000) - Brayden Schenn($3,000,000) - Wayne Simmonds($3,975,000)
Martin Havlat($2,500,000) - Sean Couturier($1,750,000) - Matt Read($3,625,000)
Michael Raffl($1,100,000) - Scott Laughton($863,333) - Adam Hall($750,000)
Zac Rinaldo($750,000)


Mark Streit($5,250,000) - Braydon Coburn ($4,500,000)
Andrew MacDonald($5,000,000) - Stephane Robidas ($3,500,000)
Luke Schenn($3,600,000)- Shayne Gostisbehere ($925,000)
Oliver Lauridsen($600,000)

Goaltenders

Steve Mason ($4,100,000)
Al Montoya ($1,100,000)



Buyouts
Daniel Briere
$0
Ilya Bryzgalov
$0

LTIR: Chris Pronger (4,900,000)

CAP: $71,100,000 Cap Payroll: $70,163,333 Bonuses: $708,333 Cap Space: $936,667


Okay, flame away.

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Salary is only 525k in 15-16 and 16-17. Cap hit doesn't change at 4.9.

http://capgeek.com/player/316
oh ok my bad didn't realize that as stupid as that sounds

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Why do you guys keep putting Pronger on LTIR? He can't go on until the season starts. That's not money you can just spend in the offseason.

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Why do you guys keep putting Pronger on LTIR? He can't go on until the season starts. That's not money you can just spend in the offseason.
Actually he can go on LTIR before the season starts. You just have to make sure you spend as much of his 4.9 million above the cap to make sure you have the highest possible cap as possible

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And you need a couple of waiver exempt guys on the initial roster who you can then immediately demote to get around $1.5m in cap room because going into the season with zero cap room is a terrible idea.

That's what Detroit and Pittsburgh did this past season.

http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-does-...erve-LTIR-work

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EXAMPLE 1: The Detroit Red Wings followed Option 2. The upper limit was $64.3M and the Red Wings’ Averaged Club Salary or cap payroll on the final day of training camp was $66,137,878, including two injured players, Darren Helm ($2.125M cap hit) and Patrick Eaves ($1.2M cap hit), with an aggregate Averaged Amount of $3.325M. Rather than simply place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, a move that would have left them with no cap space and a new upper limit of $66,137,878, they recalled Jordan Coreau ($792.5K) and Xavier Ouellet ($670K), two players with an aggregate Averaged Amount totalling $1,462,500. That increased their Averaged Club Salary to $67,600,378 — $3,300,378 above the upper limit or almost exactly the $3.325M aggregate of Helm and Eaves.

Only then did they place Helm and Eaves on LTIR, leaving the Red Wings with an upper limit to $67,600,378 for the duration of the LTIR designations. The Red Wings demoted Coreau and Ouellet the next day, bringing their Averaged Club Salary back down to $66,137,878, while leaving them with the flexibility to add $1,462,500 in Averaged Amounts, space created by the one-day recall of Coreau and Ouellet.

EXAMPLE 2: The Pittsburgh Penguins followed Option 2. The upper limit was $64.3M and the Penguins’ Averaged Club Salary or cap payroll on the final day of training camp was $65,990,000, which included a healthy Beau Bennett ($990K cap hit) and an injured Tomas Vokoun ($2M cap hit). Rather than simply place Vokoun on LTIR, a move that would have left them with no cap space and a new upper limit of $65,990,000, they demoted Bennett and recalled Harrison Ruopp ($650,833 cap hit) and Chris Conner ($550K cap hit), two players with an aggregate Averaged Amount totalling $1,200,833. That increased their Averaged Club Salary to $66,290,833 — $1,990,833 above the upper limit or almost exactly the $2M cap hit of Vokoun.

Only then did they place Vokoun on LTIR, leaving the Penguins with an upper limit of $66,290,833 for the duration of the LTIR designations. The Penguins recalled Bennett and demoted Ruopp and Conner the next day, bringing their Averaged Club Salary back down to $65,990,000, while leaving them with the flexibility to add $300,833 in Averaged Amounts, space created by the one-day swap of Bennett for Ruopp and Conner.

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Hextall/Holmgren (I forget) already said they want Timonen back at a reduced rate. They aren't going to pay him 6 again.

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Hextall/Holmgren (I forget) already said they want Timonen back at a reduced rate. They aren't going to pay him 6 again.
The would never admit that they intend to lowball Timonen or even want him to retire to make room for younger players but this may happen behind the scenes. Telling the media that he may have to accept a lower salary is just a first step towards paving the way...

What are they going to say? 'We don't want him back!'... even if it was actually the case that would be a slap in the face... or something like 'we take him back @3M per as a Veteran presence on the 3rd pairing and we'll most likely take him off the first PP unit'?


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Agreed. I think him taking a significant pay cut is just wishful thinking and won't happen if he returns. I might be wrong, but I don't see him earning less than $4 mio., and even that's on the low side.
Yeah, he's probably going to get like 4.5-5 mil.

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The Flyers don't have the cap room to bring back Kimmo at 4.5-5 million, at least not without making other moves. They have ~6 million in cap space to sign Schenn, a backup goalie, a defenseman (Kimmo could be that option), and maybe Hall. The most I could see would be 3-4 million, and honestly, he's not worth much more than that.

Things could definitely change if they decide to move someone (Vinny, Grossmann, Schenn/s), but I still can't see them making a move like that just to get Kimmo under contract. If they make those types of moves, it's because they have something bigger in mind.

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