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06-03-2014, 10:03 AM
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That first line, Simmonds is mediocre at ES and Schenn will disappear for 2 months.
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I get the idea of this, but this team would be significantly worse than it was the past season. Ive seen this a few times, why is Hartnell not on the top line? His stats are top 20 in LW scoring and his advanced stats would tell you he is a top 12 LW. I used to hate him but thought after a tough start he was pretty solid all season. As much as everyone hates Grossmann he is a decent 3rd pairing defense, and Kimmo was a top pairing D man this season and to think Alt and Ghost can replace that without a hiccup makes me very uneasy. I agree Grossmann has to go, but Id be scared if Flyers had to run 2 rookies on the blueline
I disagree that this team would be any worse. Hartnell isn't on the 1st line because he doesn't belong there, the reason he has the stats he currently does is because he gets carried by Giroux and Voracek/Jagr. There were just an absurd amount of times last season where he went on one of his lengthy cold streaks and hurt the line. I 100% believe Schenn would be a upgrade over Hartnell is he's in that spot for the whole season.

Just look at their stats

Hartnell- 20 goals - 9 on the PP (1st Unit) - 11 goals at 5v5 when mostly with Giroux and Voracek

Schenn- 20 goals - 4 on the PP (2nd Unit) - 16 goals at 5v5 when mostly with Lecavelier and Simmonds

I don't know about you, but that tells me that Schenn played much better with far less help at both even strength and on the PP.



As for the D, Grossmann needs to be gone, no two ways about it, and replacing him with Alt is an upgrade in my mind. Alt is a defensive defenseman but he is a good skater and can move the puck out of the zone, which was the D's biggest issue last season and the cause of most of the goals against. I doubt Timonen is coming back so we need another quick offensive defenseman who can put up points and has a good shot, which is Ghost. He won't take up Timonens minutes but he's provide the same things Timonen does in his role on the 3rd pair with Schenn. Think of him as a better version of Gus on that pair, which we all know worked very well in the short time it was together. I have no issues with those two rookie defenseman playing because they're both very smart players and neither of them are that young.

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06-03-2014, 12:18 PM
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I didn't realize Callahan was even there, I was too distracted by the backend he assembled.
I'm a "She" and this is my very first attempt at line combos...cut me some slack.
Hartnell's speed has plummeted and he is not a 30+goal scorer anymore where Moulson is. I think Callahan is a speedy, shot blocking player exactly what the Flyers need.

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06-03-2014, 12:35 PM
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I'm a "She" and this is my very first attempt at line combos...cut me some slack.
Hartnell's speed has plummeted and he is not a 30+goal scorer anymore where Moulson is. I think Callahan is a speedy, shot blocking player exactly what the Flyers need.
Hartnell never was a 30 goal scorer outside of two seasons. However he's been a consistent 20+ goal scorer with the Flyers. His speed hasn't plummeted, this is one of the biggest myths on this board. He still gets up & down the ice at a good speed. He's just not a dynamic skater so it doesn't look pretty.

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I'm not seeing enough of an upgrade there to dump Hartnell in favor for those guys on higher caphit's & higher years. If you move Hartnell you look to find cheaper replacements not more expensive ones.

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06-03-2014, 12:38 PM
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I'm a "She" and this is my very first attempt at line combos...cut me some slack.
Hartnell's speed has plummeted and he is not a 30+goal scorer anymore where Moulson is. I think Callahan is a speedy, shot blocking player exactly what the Flyers need.
I thought hartnell looked dreadfully slow against the rangers but i was shunned by others on here for being mistaken. Hopefully he turns it around this year; lack of a slow start by the team would be beneficial obv

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06-03-2014, 01:10 PM
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I disagree that this team would be any worse. Hartnell isn't on the 1st line because he doesn't belong there, the reason he has the stats he currently does is because he gets carried by Giroux and Voracek/Jagr. There were just an absurd amount of times last season where he went on one of his lengthy cold streaks and hurt the line. I 100% believe Schenn would be a upgrade over Hartnell is he's in that spot for the whole season.

Just look at their stats

Hartnell- 20 goals - 9 on the PP (1st Unit) - 11 goals at 5v5 when mostly with Giroux and Voracek

Schenn- 20 goals - 4 on the PP (2nd Unit) - 16 goals at 5v5 when mostly with Lecavelier and Simmonds

I don't know about you, but that tells me that Schenn played much better with far less help at both even strength and on the PP.



As for the D, Grossmann needs to be gone, no two ways about it, and replacing him with Alt is an upgrade in my mind. Alt is a defensive defenseman but he is a good skater and can move the puck out of the zone, which was the D's biggest issue last season and the cause of most of the goals against. I doubt Timonen is coming back so we need another quick offensive defenseman who can put up points and has a good shot, which is Ghost. He won't take up Timonens minutes but he's provide the same things Timonen does in his role on the 3rd pair with Schenn. Think of him as a better version of Gus on that pair, which we all know worked very well in the short time it was together. I have no issues with those two rookie defenseman playing because they're both very smart players and neither of them are that young.
I was less worried about the offense. But scoring goals isn't really isn't the option you should use to measure a players success. Is Vinny better than everyone who scored 19 goals or less? Hartnell is far better than Schenn defensively, I was just saying, Giroux, Hartnell and Voracek are a top 10 first line and you should be absolutely sure you willl upgrade and if you search Schenn's stats besides goals scored, you will see he is a 3rd line center.

Anyway, If Kimmo doesn't come back the Flyers are in serious trouble. To say Ghost will provide the same things as Timonen is a pretty massive stretch. Kimmo was a top pairing Dman. If Ghost doesn't put up the same season as Kimmo did this past season, then the Flyers defense is a whole lot worse. I know Grossmann isn't very good, but his advanced stats would tell you he is a solid 3rd pairing defensemen. So if everything stays the same, Ghost will have to = Kimmo and Alt = at least a solid 3rd pairing defensemen for the Flyers to have equal defensive success as last season.

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06-03-2014, 01:20 PM
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This season will be huge for Coots and B.Schenn. I still see a trade for an upgrade on d tho.

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06-03-2014, 01:25 PM
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1. Trade Scott Hartnell for Colin Wilson (unlikely, but frees up cap space)
2. Bring up Laughton and Gostisbehere
3. Re-sign UFAs Timonen and Hall
4. Re-sign RFAs Schenn and Akeson
5. Sign UFAs Kulemin, Sarich, Greiss, and Fedun
6. Trade Lecavalier (25% retained) and Grossmann
7. Place Pronger on LTIR (when possible)

Colin Wilson ($2.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jason Akeson ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.300m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Adam Hall ($0.650m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)

Kimmo Timonen ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Cory Sarich ($2.000m) / Taylor Fedun ($0.600m)

Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)

LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,713,333; BONUSES: $708,333
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,386,667

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06-03-2014, 01:31 PM
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Not sure who Colin Wilson is but is he good enough to be a top line winger? His stats are so/so, he is only 24yrs old though. I too think Greiss would be decent backup for Mason.


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1. Trade Scott Hartnell for Colin Wilson (unlikely, but frees up cap space)
2. Bring up Laughton and Gostisbehere
3. Re-sign UFAs Timonen and Hall
4. Re-sign RFAs Schenn and Akeson
5. Sign UFAs Kulemin, Sarich, Greiss, and Fedun
6. Trade Lecavalier (25% retained) and Grossmann
7. Place Pronger on LTIR (when possible)

Colin Wilson ($2.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Jason Akeson ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.300m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Adam Hall ($0.650m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)

Kimmo Timonen ($4.000m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Cory Sarich ($2.000m) / Taylor Fedun ($0.600m)

Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.000m)

LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)

RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125mó25.00%)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,713,333; BONUSES: $708,333
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,386,667
Why would you trade Hartnell to save money, then not spend it?

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Why would you trade Hartnell to save money, then not spend it?
I spent $3.3M on Kulemin, $4M on Timonen, $2M on Sarich, $1M on Greiss, and $600k on Fedun. Also had to give Schenn a slight raise. CapGeek is using a $71M cap ceiling estimate, but it's been reported that the actual number will more likely be around $69M. Furthermore, Pronger's cap hit remains on the books throughout the summer, so you need to have some flexibility there. For all intents and purposes, I've spent to the cap with this roster.

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I thought Colin Wilson was a center. Did Nashville move him to the wing?

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Why would you trade Hartnell to save money, then not spend it?
Hartnell is what he is. Mark him down for 20 +goals and a tough net presence. They need to add another good LW not trade to best one they have.

That said Schenn needs to be given more responsibility in order to grow as a player which won't happen at center with the minutes Giroux and Coots eat up. Put him on Giroux's line and leave him there. Let kid battle through slumps and learn how to find his spots.

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Hartnell is what he is. Mark him down for 20 +goals and a tough net presence.
Is he really a tough net presence anymore? It seems like those days may have passed. In my opinion, he is almost a sniper now, who relies on his one-timer more than anythng.

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Hartnell never was a 30 goal scorer outside of two seasons. However he's been a consistent 20+ goal scorer with the Flyers. His speed hasn't plummeted, this is one of the biggest myths on this board. He still gets up & down the ice at a good speed. He's just not a dynamic skater so it doesn't look pretty.

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Callahan
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I'm not seeing enough of an upgrade there to dump Hartnell in favor for those guys on higher caphit's & higher years. If you move Hartnell you look to find cheaper replacements not more expensive ones.
I like Hartnell a lot and I am not really an advocate for trading him unless the move makes sense, but I'd take Callahan over Hartnell every day of the week. Probably a lateral move offensively, but Callahan is better in pretty much every other aspect.

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I like Hartnell a lot and I am not really an advocate for trading him unless the move makes sense, but I'd take Callahan over Hartnell every day of the week. Probably a lateral move offensively, but Callahan is better in pretty much every other aspect.
And probably at least 2 million dollars per year more expensive.

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The Rangers traded him because he wanted to much money and too long a term. I think I'd rather have five more years of Hartnell at $4.75m than seven years of Callahan at $6m.

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The Rangers traded him because he wanted to much money and too long a term. I think I'd rather have five more years of Hartnell at $4.75m than seven years of Callahan at $6m.
I thought he was looking for 7 million AAV.

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Then I'd definitely prefer Hartnell.

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Hartnell is fine. he just shouldn't be relied upon to be a 1st liner

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FORWARDS
Jussi Jokinen ($3.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Vladimir Sobotka ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Dennis Rasmussen ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) /
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Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m)
Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Shayne Gostisbehere ($0.925m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) /
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Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($0.950m)
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Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,754,762; BONUSES: $708,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,345,238
If we want to bring in a big time LW to play on the top line, we need to move salary more than Vinny and Grossmann. Pronger's cap hit kills us, which blows.

I traded Vinny for Sobotka! I know wishful thinking right, just throwing ideas out there. Signed Jokinen to play anywhere, he was just thrown on the top line. Grossmann was traded to the KHL.

Couts-Read
Raffl-Sobotka

One hell of a PK there.

We also should try to find another player who can control the right boards like Jagr did when he played here. Instead of overloading the front we should have one man in front(Simmonds) and have Voracek man the half boards on the right. I don't know what player would do that though....

ROR would look lovely next to Giroux and Voracek on the first line. Highly unlikely to happen but man I would pay a premium for him. Colorado fans are a little bit delirious though when it comes to signing their players. They think all of them will take discounts to keep the core together. That's just not going to happen.


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Exactly, I don't want traded but want him off the 1st line.

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I like Hartnell a lot and I am not really an advocate for trading him unless the move makes sense, but I'd take Callahan over Hartnell every day of the week. Probably a lateral move offensively, but Callahan is better in pretty much every other aspect.
Callahan was god awful this year. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll. Glen Sather is very lucky he turned down that $6M/6 year contract he offered him before the trade.

Callahan also plays right wing a position we're pretty stacked at.

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If we want to bring in a big time LW to play on the top line, we need to move salary more than Vinny and Grossmann. Pronger's cap hit kills us, which blows.

I traded Vinny for Sobotka! I know wishful thinking right, just throwing ideas out there. Signed Jokinen to play anywhere, he was just thrown on the top line. Grossmann was traded to the KHL.

Couts-Read
Raffl-Sobotka

One hell of a PK there.

We also should try to find another player who can control the right boards like Jagr did when he played here. Instead of overloading the front we should have one man in front(Simmonds) and have Voracek man the half boards on the right. I don't know what player would do that though....

ROR would look lovely next to Giroux and Voracek on the first line. Highly unlikely to happen but man I would pay a premium for him. Colorado fans are a little bit delirious though when it comes to signing their players. They think all of them will take discounts to keep the core together. That's just not going to happen.
That was one of the better lineups that I would be excited about. I am not sure if Kimmo would come back for 2 million, but Kimmo-Coburn, AndyM - Streit, and Ghost-Schenn would be pretty close to last season and Ghost would be an upgrade. Then you could have Alt/Laurid as the 7th guy.

I am not sure Vinny could get Sobotka, but maybe Paajarvi from St. Louis? Also Jokinen is probably one of the few UFA's or players available that would do great here

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That was one of the better lineups that I would be excited about. I am not sure if Kimmo would come back for 2 million, but Kimmo-Coburn, AndyM - Streit, and Ghost-Schenn would be pretty close to last season and Ghost would be an upgrade. Then you could have Alt/Laurid as the 7th guy.

I am not sure Vinny could get Sobotka, but maybe Paajarvi from St. Louis? Also Jokinen is probably one of the few UFA's or players available that would do great here
Vinny for Sobotka I think is pretty fair value. The Flyers give up the more offensive player while the Blues give up the better defensive player who is versitile. They are looking for a second line center desperately and were in on the bidding for Vinny last year. I would expect if he was on the block they would have interest. Vinny at center for the year I think could net 50+ points.

I do not want Paajarvi near the Flyers. Edmonton tried Paarjarvi+2 2nd rounders for Coburn and the Flyers wouldn't touch it. They wanted a top 6 forward and Paarjarvi right now is not that. I wouldn't want him on Couts line. He would be a no go from my perspective.

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