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05-17-2014, 09:02 PM
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The more I think about it the more I feel Nashville shouldn't trade for Spezza. They should trade Weber for massive assets from the likes of Philly and trade Rinne to a team like STL for some big returns. Do a proper rebuild unlike us. It may take a few years but you will come out stronger than getting Spezza and trying to compete next season or the few after.
That's a great idea but the team has to sell tickets also. Without Weber and Rinne this team nosedives below The Sabres and stays there for five plus years. Attendance also nosedives to the bottom of the league.

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I posted this on the sens board a few days ago, I think the value is fair.

Colin Wilson, Taylor Beck, 2014 2nd
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Smith, Watson, 2014 1st

I like Ekholm but doesn't he seem a bit redundant with Weir?

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I posted this on the sens board a few days ago, I think the value is fair.

Colin Wilson, Taylor Beck, 2014 2nd
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Smith, Watson, 2014 1st

I like Ekholm but doesn't he seem a bit redundant with Weir?
Those two packages have completely different values.

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Those two packages have completely different values.
Am I way off?

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That's a great idea but the team has to sell tickets also. Without Weber and Rinne this team nosedives below The Sabres and stays there for five plus years. Attendance also nosedives to the bottom of the league.
Not if you sell it right.

Ottawa told the fans they needed to rebuild. And people came out to watch the kids play. The attendance was near top of the league.

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Am I way off?
The first one is far closer than the second one.

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Not if you sell it right.

Ottawa told the fans they needed to rebuild. And people came out to watch the kids play. The attendance was near top of the league.
Weber is just not going anywhere, let's get on with the Spezza speculation please.

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Not if you sell it right.

Ottawa told the fans they needed to rebuild. And people came out to watch the kids play. The attendance was near top of the league.
Will not work here the fan base will accept losing but not on purpose or for extended periods of time. It may reap a winning franchise in 5 to 10 years but the team would possibly be in another city by time that happens.

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I posted this on the sens board a few days ago, I think the value is fair.

Colin Wilson, Taylor Beck, 2014 2nd
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Smith, Watson, 2014 1st

I like Ekholm but doesn't he seem a bit redundant with Weir?
you make it seem like Wilson has more value than Smith.

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The more I think about it the more I feel Nashville shouldn't trade for Spezza. They should trade Weber for massive assets from the likes of Philly and trade Rinne to a team like STL for some big returns. Do a proper rebuild unlike us. It may take a few years but you will come out stronger than getting Spezza and trying to compete next season or the few after.
What?

Nashville doesn't need a complete rebuild. Trading away the two cornerstones of the franchise would be the most idiotic thing Poile could do.

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I posted this on the sens board a few days ago, I think the value is fair.

Colin Wilson, Taylor Beck, 2014 2nd
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Smith, Watson, 2014 1st

I like Ekholm but doesn't he seem a bit redundant with Weir?
Sign me up for the first option.

Smith > Wilson
Watson > Beck
1st > 2nd

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What about Wilson + Beck + 2014 1st? It seems like a bit much for Nashville to pay for one year of Spezza since they aren't a contending team. If IF Murray talks to Spezza and sees that he has interest in signing in Nashville, I'd put less original value and a lot of extra if he resigns. Ex:

Wilson + Beck/Aberg (whichever is worse) + Salomaki for Spezza. If he resigns, I'd want a 2015 1st + 4th coming back.

Ideally, I'd think I'd prefer 2 bodies coming back in the original deal, but the only players who's value could return 1/2 of Spezza are untouchables or not valuable enough. What about Jarnkok + Ellis as the original deal?

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What about Wilson + Beck + 2014 1st? It seems like a bit much for Nashville to pay for one year of Spezza since they aren't a contending team. If IF Murray talks to Spezza and sees that he has interest in signing in Nashville, I'd put less original value and a lot of extra if he resigns. Ex:

Wilson + Beck/Aberg (whichever is worse) + Salomaki for Spezza. If he resigns, I'd want a 2015 1st + 4th coming back.

Ideally, I'd think I'd prefer 2 bodies coming back in the original deal, but the only players who's value could return 1/2 of Spezza are untouchables or not valuable enough. What about Jarnkok + Ellis as the original deal?
I don't think we'd be willing to give up a '15 1st or Jarnkrok.

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you make it seem like Wilson has more value than Smith.
Yup, I was way off lol

is Watson projected to be better than Beck?

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My thing is this: if Josi or Jones are being moved, why not go for someone else who will definitely be here longer, be it because of age or contract status? Those two are pretty valuable pieces.
This is it, completely. If the Preds are going to trade Josi or Jones, they can get a lot better player for them than Spezza, who is soft, gutless and has a bad back.

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This is it, completely. If the Preds are going to trade Josi or Jones, they can get a lot better player for them than Spezza, who is soft, gutless and has a bad back.
Wait, what?

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This is it, completely. If the Preds are going to trade Josi or Jones, they can get a lot better player for them than Spezza, who is soft, gutless and has a bad back.
Lol like who smart guy?

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This is it, completely. If the Preds are going to trade Josi or Jones, they can get a lot better player for them than Spezza, who is soft, gutless and has a bad back.
Josi for Malkin + Crosby?

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I know I've commented on the Spezza proposals a lot, but I honestly think that Josi will
Be in the return. Spezza is a top 5 offensive center (Crosby,Malkin,Getzlaf, Backstrom) and will probably return a bunch of futures, or someone like Josi and a prospect. I look forward to seeing the return though.

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Spezza is a top 5 offensive center (Crosby,Malkin,Getzlaf, Backstrom)
Seguin, Pavelski, Kopitar, Giroux, Marleau, Duchene, Krejci, Toews, Taveras, Stamkos, Datsyuk, Staal, Thornton and then a bunch of guys that are close like Stepan, Koivu, Hall, Couture etc.

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I know I've commented on the Spezza proposals a lot, but I honestly think that Josi will
Be in the return. Spezza is a top 5 offensive center (Crosby,Malkin,Getzlaf, Backstrom) and will probably return a bunch of futures, or someone like Josi and a prospect. I look forward to seeing the return though.
No he's not. Heck, did Stamkos, Giroux and Tavares retire?

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What about Wilson + Beck + 2014 1st? It seems like a bit much for Nashville to pay for one year of Spezza since they aren't a contending team. If IF Murray talks to Spezza and sees that he has interest in signing in Nashville, I'd put less original value and a lot of extra if he resigns. Ex:

Wilson + Beck/Aberg (whichever is worse) + Salomaki for Spezza. If he resigns, I'd want a 2015 1st + 4th coming back.

Ideally, I'd think I'd prefer 2 bodies coming back in the original deal, but the only players who's value could return 1/2 of Spezza are untouchables or not valuable enough. What about Jarnkok + Ellis as the original deal?
Wilson + 1st has been where I think the Preds would start from, and I think Beck is a fair add in. Sens probably don't bite on that, but I can't see the Preds giving up much more value than that.

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I know I've commented on the Spezza proposals a lot, but I honestly think that Josi will
Be in the return. Spezza is a top 5 offensive center (Crosby,Malkin,Getzlaf, Backstrom) and will probably return a bunch of futures, or someone like Josi and a prospect. I look forward to seeing the return though.
This just isn't happening. It would be terrible value if Spezza doesn't end up re-signing, and isn't a great trade for the Preds even if he does re-sign. It would also run completely counter to what Poile has started to build with this roster, and the value he tends to place on players (especially young defensemen). Additionally, it would be the second top pairing defensive partner of Weber's moved from the team in the past 3 seasons, a trend which is not likely to bode well with our captain, not to mention leaving one of Ekholm, Del Zotto, or Bartley to take on first pairing duties on the left side.

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Seguin, Pavelski, Kopitar, Giroux, Marleau, Duchene, Krejci, Toews, Taveras, Stamkos, Datsyuk, Staal, Thornton and then a bunch of guys that are close like Stepan, Koivu, Hall, Couture etc.
Current PPG centres in the NHL

Crosby 769pts in 550 games - 1.39ppg
Malkin 632pts in 518 games - 1.22ppg
Stamkos 426pts in 410 games - 1.03ppg
Spezza 687pts in 686 games - 1.001ppg

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For the Sens fans that honestly believe they'd get Josi and/or Smith... I still haven't had this question answered. Would you trade Turris in this situation (I can't think of an exact comparable, so just use your imagination)?

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