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Ukrainian clusterfrak part 10 - Fascists accuse others of being fascist

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05-21-2014, 06:34 AM
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I agree, I said in the beginning that it was a mistake to annex Crimea for the reasons you stated. But if Putin was looking long term, the reality is the pro-western side is so fragmented there was bound to be political in-fighting. Had he waited it out and played the same sorts of games he did after the Orange Revolution (I still think most of the blame there is on Ukrainian politicians, but that's a different debate) I really think the country would go back to business as usual.

At any rate, I think this whole mess as bad as it looks now will benefit Ukraine in the future. It's up to them to get their house in order.
Ukraine getting its house in order is something it has not been able to do ever, for all the corruption crap Yanukovych gets, it's no different to Yatsenyuk, Tymoshenko etc. Ukraine is a hive of corruption in power, and whoever wins this upcoming election, I have zero faith in making Ukraine a better place whether it sides with the EU or Russia.

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05-21-2014, 08:02 AM
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I am very positive there will be another maidan after the elections

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why nobody talking about Gazprom-China big deal?

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05-21-2014, 08:19 AM
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why nobody talking about Gazprom-China big deal?
But we don't know price. Less price for higher cost in next 5 10 years after 10 years negotiations, is it big deal?

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05-21-2014, 08:23 AM
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I am very positive there will be another maidan after the elections
In Russia? I hope also

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05-21-2014, 08:45 AM
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But we don't know price. Less price for higher cost in next 5 10 years after 10 years negotiations, is it big deal?
who said that?

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The price is $350 per thousand of cubic meters

For example, Ukraine was paying $268 before maidan happened. Germany is paying $400 for Russian gas


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05-21-2014, 09:56 AM
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The price is $350 per thousand of cubic meters

For example, Ukraine was paying $268 before maidan happened. Germany is paying $400 for Russian gas
Do you know if it is paid in USD or russian/chinese currencies?

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In Russia? I hope also
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I am very positive there will be another maidan after the elections
The "we miss Yanukovich" maidan.

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Obama fails miserably.

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05-21-2014, 12:32 PM
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The "we miss Yanukovich" maidan.
Nah, there's gonna be one more before that. Tymoshenko openly stated she'd gather people if she loses the elections because as she claims "I know what person Poroshenko is"

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The gas deal is something of a game changer, it finally seals Russia out of Europe. It also means that, whatever the sanctions, Putin doesn't have to back down in Ukraine and will ultimately get what he wants there. But there's also the other side to this, for China doesn't see Russia as an equal partner, not in the long run at least. Russia will find itself in the same position with China than it desperately wanted to avoid with Europe. After Putin is gone there's likely to be real chaos.

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05-21-2014, 12:35 PM
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Do you know if it is paid in USD or russian/chinese currencies?
That's a good question. I haven't seen the answer yet

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Nah, there's gonna be one more before that. Tymoshenko openly stated she'd gather people if she loses the elections because as she claims "I know what person Poroshenko is"
Both are wonderful. Freedom is coming with a side of fries.

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The gas deal is something of a game changer, it finally seals Russia out of Europe. It also means that, whatever the sanctions, Putin doesn't have to back down in Ukraine and will ultimately get what he wants there. But there's also the other side to this, for China doesn't see Russia as an equal partner, not in the long run at least. Russia will find itself in the same position with China than it desperately wanted to avoid with Europe. After Putin is gone there's likely to be real chaos.
China is the big winner in all of this. Russia was somewhat desperate, although it is difficult to exactly assess the country's future without going into full detail.

I think the US really ****ed up here. Russia's deal with China would have never gone through if not for the Ukraine crisis.

Now, we have more arms build up, more NATO expansion, a devalued dollar, a bolstered China, an angry Russia, a Ukraine in shambles - all the result of US meddling in little Ukraine.

Interventionist hubris has consequences.

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I guess that's why they never got rid of maidan barricades and the camp itself. Why do so if you are going back again really soon ?

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That's a good question. I haven't seen the answer yet
let us/me (PM) to know if you see the answer.

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Russia decided that it wasn't driving Finland into NATO strong enough so they decided to violate Finnish airspace twice on Tuesday... And no, it couldn't have been an accident as this demonstrates: http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-05...856VMF/35fe0ff

They used to do this with Estonia as well but as soon as they joined NATO, the violations stopped completely.

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Russia decided that it wasn't driving Finland into NATO strong enough so they decided to violate Finnish airspace twice on Tuesday... And no, it couldn't have been an accident as this demonstrates: http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-05...856VMF/35fe0ff
The plane in question:



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They used to do this with Estonia as well but as soon as they joined NATO, the violations stopped completely.
I'm sorry but that's utter bullsh...:

http://news.err.ee/v/varia/8542ade2-...e-9502cb6a4dff

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Appears that the national guard has declared open season on Russian journalists.

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Russia decided that it wasn't driving Finland into NATO strong enough so they decided to violate Finnish airspace twice on Tuesday... And no, it couldn't have been an accident as this demonstrates: http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-05...856VMF/35fe0ff

They used to do this with Estonia as well but as soon as they joined NATO, the violations stopped completely.
Good one, Jussi.

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But we don't know price. Less price for higher cost in next 5 10 years after 10 years negotiations, is it big deal?
The price is about $350 per 1000 cubic meters. The average price for EU last year was $380 so China got a small discount.

But it seems like a good real for both China and Russia.

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