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Ukrainian clusterfrak part 10 - Fascists accuse others of being fascist

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06-14-2014, 09:58 AM
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So here is a video of the Ukrainian paratrooper transport plane being shot down:



The Ukrainian government is saying that it was shot down with an Anti-aircraft gun. You can clearly see that it is a MANPAD Missle or SAM Missile. The time between impact of the missile and the crash suggests the airplane was either landing or taking off at the Lugansk Airport. This is the same airport I told you guys was surrounded by rebels the other day. So what is going on here? Why the hell would the Ukrainian military try to land or take off from an airport surrounded by rebels who have been chewing up Ukrainian plane/helicopters right and left?

The Russian internet is currently discussing a story that Lvov Paratroopers and Dnepropetrovsk Paratroopers got into a fire fight against each other at the airport. The Ukrainian goverment said that most of the paratroopers killed were from Dnepropetrovsk. So wtf? Nothing here makes sense.


Also similar situation happening in Mariupol. Ukranian gov says it's ATO has cleared Mariupol from separatists. It says that it has raised the Ukrainian flag in Mariupol and detained many fighters including killing the leader of Mariupol separatists. Then they pull out and get ambushed today by separatists that are supposedly no longer there.

So tired of all of this.

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06-14-2014, 11:08 AM
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I guess friendly fire incidents happen a lot these days, but certainly the shooting down of a plane is not one of them. And it did look like a missile for what that matters.

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06-14-2014, 11:51 AM
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I guess friendly fire incidents happen a lot these days, but certainly the shooting down of a plane is not one of them. And it did look like a missile for what that matters.
They are saying that it's not "friendly" fire but a fire fight due to political differences.

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The thing that is really shocking is that so far the most reliable source of information on what is going on over in eastern Ukraine is Strelkov, the military leader of the separatists. He's been dispelling Russian and Ukrainian propaganda, clearing up things in social media videos, giving realistic numbers and always saying "i don't know" rather then make up some flattering lie. He's also a mod on a forum

He's the only one on both sides who i haven't caught in a lie yet.

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06-14-2014, 01:07 PM
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Another Ukrainian plane reportedly shot down; same one that bombed the police station in Gorlivka.
http://russian.rt.com/article/36454

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Hmm. Su-25 very very hard to shoot down. Would like to know how they did it.

In case some of you don't know what a Su-25 is a ground attack aircraft comparable to the A-10. It can take a massive amount of damage and still make it home. Here are some pictures of Su-25s that made it back home during the Georgian war.




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06-14-2014, 10:05 PM
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Rioters are attacking the Russian embassy in Kiev.


Western countries at UN SC block Russia’s statement condemning attack on embassy

UN, June 15. /ITAR-TASS/. Western countries at the United Nations Organisation’s Security Council have blocked Russia’s draft resolution condemning the attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev, a source at the organisation’s headquarters told Itar-Tass.
“Western delegations have blocked the draft statement for the press, which condemns the attacks on the embassy in Kiev,” the source said.
The UK, the U.S. and France were among those who voted ‘contra,’ the source said.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/736103

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No big deal. The Russian Embassy just got a little bit of a paint job:



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Pictures from the retard fest at the Russian embassy in Kiev

http://roman-yhnovec.livejournal.com/325594.html

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kinda summarizes that whole thing

PS: America is involved again


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The BBC examines Ukrainian and NATO claims that Russia is supplying rebels with tanks:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27849437

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06-15-2014, 09:53 PM
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The BBC examines Ukrainian and NATO claims that Russia is supplying rebels with tanks:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27849437
Amateurish article. I'm not saying the T-64s aren't from Russia but it's just silly for a legitimate news source like BBC to do a "jump to conclusions" type of article like it was some sort of internet forum. Basically it comes down to lack of paint and a nato release?

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Amateurish article. I'm not saying the T-64s aren't from Russia but it's just silly for a legitimate news source like BBC to do a "jump to conclusions" type of article like it was some sort of internet forum. Basically it comes down to lack of paint and a nato release?
BBC have been doing these kinds of articles quite frequently really and have only reported from one side. (There was nothing mentioned on our news about Odessa for example)

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06-15-2014, 11:31 PM
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Yes the white washing of what happened in Odessa and the Su-25 bombing of civilians is disgusting to say the least.

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Amateurish article. I'm not saying the T-64s aren't from Russia but it's just silly for a legitimate news source like BBC to do a "jump to conclusions" type of article like it was some sort of internet forum. Basically it comes down to lack of paint and a nato release?
Pretty much.

Not conclusive by any means. Believe what you want.

Reports tonight that the 'People's Mayor' of Slavynsk Vyacheslav Ponomarev has been executed by the Russian rebels.

Also, various photos and videos like the one below are emerging of Russian armour massing near the Ukrainian border:


Nobody really seems to know whether these are new or just a rehash of from a couple months ago.

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06-16-2014, 12:49 AM
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Well the timing would make sense if Russia is going to use the U.S. being distracted by events in Iraq to make a big move.

Mark MacKinnon @markmackinnon · 6h
Soviet crackdown in Baltic states came during 1991 Gulf War... 1956 invasion of Hungary came amid Suez crisis...

Also GazProm has a gas shutoff set to go into effect today.

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Well the timing would make sense if Russia is going to use the U.S. being distracted by events in Iraq to make a big move.

Mark MacKinnon @markmackinnon · 6h
Soviet crackdown in Baltic states came during 1991 Gulf War... 1956 invasion of Hungary came amid Suez crisis...

Also GazProm has a gas shutoff set to go into effect today.
About time, Russia's been more than accommodating. It's not gonna change much in the short term anyways.

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Provocations, Proxies and Plausible Deniability
Russia's remote controlled war in Ukraine.

http://www.interpretermag.com/provoc...e-deniability/

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06-16-2014, 07:45 PM
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Strelkov's Statement Today. This guy is a modern Russian Hero.

The enemy is engaged in massive bombardment of Kramatorsk, using howitzers at the Karachun Mount and in the vicinity of water purifications facilities between Slavyansk and Kramatorsk (they have a stronghold there).

There are numerous casualties and fires in the city. They are bombarding both the industrial sector and the residential neighbourhoods. The population is in a state of panic – [to date,] Kramatorsk had not experienced such massive artillery shelling.

What is more, militia objects have been spared – the strikes are not against them. Why, you ask? The answer is elementary – in order to force tens of thousands of refugees to flood into Russia. Genocide and ethnic cleansing in their purest form.

I have decided to offer up to universal review a text from my personal correspondence (as appropriately amended). I ask that you distribute it. It is no longer possible to keep silent, hoping that someone “on the mainland” “comes to his senses.”

As I have become accustomed to anticipate events several steps ahead, I am in a state of utter “prostration.” The observable destruction of the economy and the population I anticipated even a month and a half ago, and, in order to avoid it, called then for a peacekeeping intervention.

It is now too late – peacekeepers will not be able to intervene without a battle. Now I am calling for the provision of IMMEDIATE AND WIDESCALE MILITARY ASSISTANCE. But no assistance has come.

In a week or two (and possibly earlier) a substantial part of the military detachments of DPR and LPR may be completely routed. The reason is the insurmountable ratio in heavy weaponry …

And when Donetsk and Lugansk are completely blocked and surrounded, like Slavyansk, the following question will rear its head – either Russia will:

1) commit to intervention with full force (an intervention the Ukies are openly provoking); or,

2) completely abandon Novorossiya (a possibility [the Ukies] are dearly hoping for).

And I am not at all sure that this dilemma will be resolved via the first option. More likely than not, it will be the opposite.

We can burn down even a hundredd APCs and kill even five thousand troops, but the overall balance of forces will hardly change. Well, for example, the [manpower] ratio will become 1 to 14 instead of 1 to 15 …

Every day we are forced to relinquish another large settlement – we have neither the men nor the guns to defend them. At the same time, we have no ability to retake any of them – because we have nothing to match the Ukie’s heavy weaponry. All we can do is engage them in defence more or less successfully.

So, what reason is there for optimism? From our own minor successes? They are purely tactical. And, meanwhile, we have long ago started losing the strategic engagement.

I see open sabotage in the approach taken by the Russian officials at the highest-level in relation to Novorossiya. It shows in everything. I dare say that [this sabotage] is fully conscious. Otherwise, there is no explanation for the fact that DPR and LPR have yet to be recognized even de facto and that they receive no supplies of such badly needed weapons and equipment.

Yes, Putin has effectively disavowed (and I wonder – at whose suggestion?) the pledges of standing ready to protect the Russian civilian population of Donbass. NO ALTERNATIVE WHATSOEVER HAS BEEN PROPOSED. If there is no military aid – the military defeat of DPR and LPR is inevitable.

Whether [this defeat] comes a week earlier or a month later does not matter. The enemy will cut us off from the border and will methodically suffocate us, “cleansing” the territory in the process and, in one go, forcing out into Russia a million or two of utterly deprived and embittered refugees (I trust the consequences for the economy and the social sphere are obvious).

And then, groups of “grateful oligarchs” will come to Putin with sorrowful faces and offer as their spokesperson the “great schemer” Surkov, who will explain, in a quiet and insinuating voice, that: “We did everything that we could, but these … these good-for-nothing Donetsk bandits themselves failed it all themselves, and we can give them no help without risking nuclear war … They punished themselves … It is not worth it to take a risk … We need to persevere … We will make everything right in time … It is possible to negotiate with Poroshenko … This is a tactical retreat … We are not ready to go to war … After all, we took Crimea, didn’t we? …” and so on and suchlike.

What this will mean for our company – I know already. Most of us will perish, but that is not the issue – this uprising and all the victims will be in vain, and the “Russian Spring” will be eliminated at the root by the “Ukrainian Freeze.”

And the next war, the war that we will not witness, will be on Russia’s territory – right after the “Moscow Maidan,” of course …

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Russia appears to be re-mobilizing near Ukraine's border.

A day later, Strelkov demands "IMMEDIATE AND WIDE-SCALE MILITARY ASSISTANCE."

Complete coincidence I'm sure. Almost like it was scripted in advance.


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What do you mean? His statements are always like this. Criticizing Putin for not doing **** to help and painting a realistic picture of the situation that is independent from both Kremlin and Kiev propaganda. You don't get a better officer then this guy and he is also a forum moderator lol

This is the video where that translation came from.

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Two Russian Journalists killed in Mortar fire.

Video from the Camera man:

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Ukraine to give land to Ukrainian Soldiers in Eastern Ukraine for Free

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ee-352100.html

Isn't this what Ukrainian Nationalists, Moldova and the Baltics call "Cultural Genocide" by demographic manipulation? The very thing they ***** about during the USSR period? Isn't this the reason people in The Baltics give for justifying Russians being second rate citizens in those countries?

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The two reporters who died.


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Ukraine to give land to Ukrainian Soldiers in Eastern Ukraine for Free

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ee-352100.html

Isn't this what Ukrainian Nationalists, Moldova and the Baltics call "Cultural Genocide" by demographic manipulation? The very thing they ***** about during the USSR period? Isn't this the reason people in The Baltics give for justifying Russians being second rate citizens in those countries?
Fight fire with fire when talking to the fire doesn't work?

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