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05-26-2014, 07:04 PM
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This is a big IF, but if we can flip Girardi + ++ into Ekblad, who + ELC, that would leave some financial cushion, making it easier for guys like Boyle if it is still a reasonably do-able number.

We still have to try to sign some of these guys and flip them without being greedy for a pick. Even if a future one down the road.

We might be able to keep Boyle. MAYBE.
Depends on his number and doing a LOT of juggling.
It's posts like these that make your bragging posts about Kreider that much more hilarious.

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You overlooked him saying he "hopes" he gets paid well. The hurts the Rangers.
Eh, I think if you have enough respect for what some of these guys do for your team, you hope they do make enough money to be well off for themselves.

If Boyle gets more money elsewhere, so be it, he deserves it.

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Eh, I think if you have enough respect for what some of these guys do for your team, you hope they do make enough money to be well off for themselves.

If Boyle gets more money elsewhere, so be it, he deserves it.
That's different than what he said. That said, if you had a choice of Boyle getting paid a lot somewhere and leaving, or getting less money and staying, you'd choose the former? Last time a fan favorite got the money he deserved he took our #1 center out in the ECF 2 years later.

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That's different than what he said. That said, if you had a choice of Boyle getting paid a lot somewhere and leaving, or getting less money and staying, you'd choose the former? Last time a fan favorite got the money he deserved he took our #1 center out in the ECF 2 years later.
I would like for Boyle to be able to make that decision.

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05-26-2014, 07:14 PM
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Boyles window to make money is smaller than most. The first team he should be for is team Boyle.
Nobody is going to give him a 5 year deal.
I can see a team throwing three years 8 million at him.

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05-27-2014, 11:50 AM
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Brian Boyle a big body who has played a solid defensive game and even scored a couple goals in the playoffs. Love him, always have!

Boyle has done pretty much all that Nash has done at a fraction of the salary and 5 fewer minutes a game. This team needs to trade Nash before he's completely unmovable.

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05-27-2014, 11:54 AM
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Brian Boyle a big body who has played a solid defensive game and even scored a couple goals in the playoffs. Love him, always have!

Boyle has done pretty much all that Nash has done at a fraction of the salary and 5 fewer minutes a game. This team needs to trade Nash before he's completely unmovable.
Scott Gomez wasn't even unmovable. Gaborik wasn't unmovable.

Nash still produces during the regular season. Let's not be silly. Nash would get us a coup, whether you guys like to believe it or not.

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05-27-2014, 11:55 AM
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This is a big IF, but if we can flip Girardi + ++ into Ekblad, who + ELC, that would leave some financial cushion, making it easier for guys like Boyle if it is still a reasonably do-able number.

We still have to try to sign some of these guys and flip them without being greedy for a pick. Even if a future one down the road.

We might be able to keep Boyle. MAYBE.
Depends on his number and doing a LOT of juggling.
We're one game from the Stanley Cup Final and you're STILL trying to trade our key players for prospects.

UNREAL.

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We're one game from the Stanley Cup Final and you're STILL trying to trade our key players for prospects.

UNREAL.
Naturally, I have my long and rolled up parchment of trades I'd like to see made in the offseason, as well.

It extends down 34th street, from 5th-8th avenue.

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05-27-2014, 11:59 AM
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Obviously, none of us know for sure, but I really suspect that Boyle is a huge, huge part of the team in terms of setting the tone on the ice and in the room. Befriending new players, bonding with teammates etc.

I don't think they should match any UFA offers, but I would definitely sit him down and explain the situation to him. NYR want to keep him, but they're building a winner in the short term, and they can't afford to match desperate bottom teams' UFA offers. If he wants to take a number that isn't built on what those bottom teams offer, they can/should/will work something out, and he can stay here in a role that he is great at and try to win with the guys he's been playing with for many years in some cases. If he wants to take the highest number, that's fine, but NYR can't and won't try to match it. It's been a good time, but it is what it is.

Hard to say how it'll shake out. On one hand, Boyle seems to really like it here, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him leave some cash on the table to stay in New York. On the other hand, he's not a 5 mill/year guy, and leaving money on the table may really affect his quality of life down the line, way more than it would with a Callahan level player.

Either way, I've loved Boyle here. The only times he was frustrating were when he was asked to do too much.

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Obviously, none of us know for sure, but I really suspect that Boyle is a huge, huge part of the team in terms of setting the tone on the ice and in the room. Befriending new players, bonding with teammates etc.

I don't think they should match any UFA offers, but I would definitely sit him down and explain the situation to him. NYR want to keep him, but they're building a winner in the short term, and they can't afford to match desperate bottom teams' UFA offers. If he wants to take a number that isn't built on what those bottom teams offer, they can/should/will work something out, and he can stay here in a role that he is great at and try to win with the guys he's been playing with for many years in some cases. If he wants to take the highest number, that's fine, but NYR can't and won't try to match it. It's been a good time, but it is what it is.

Hard to say how it'll shake out. On one hand, Boyle seems to really like it here, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him leave some cash on the table to stay in New York. On the other hand, he's not a 5 mill/year guy, and leaving money on the table may really affect his quality of life down the line, way more than it would with a Callahan level player.

Either way, I've loved Boyle here. The only times he was frustrating were when he was asked to do too much.
Great post. Pretty much the situation which is why I don't see him back. $15M on the open market vs $8M from the NYR (total obviously) is a huge quality of life difference. I know it's easy to sit here and say it's still $8M! But that is a huge quality of life difference over the long haul. More so than $40M vs $50M.

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Obviously, none of us know for sure, but I really suspect that Boyle is a huge, huge part of the team in terms of setting the tone on the ice and in the room. Befriending new players, bonding with teammates etc.

I don't think they should match any UFA offers, but I would definitely sit him down and explain the situation to him. NYR want to keep him, but they're building a winner in the short term, and they can't afford to match desperate bottom teams' UFA offers. If he wants to take a number that isn't built on what those bottom teams offer, they can/should/will work something out, and he can stay here in a role that he is great at and try to win with the guys he's been playing with for many years in some cases. If he wants to take the highest number, that's fine, but NYR can't and won't try to match it. It's been a good time, but it is what it is.

Hard to say how it'll shake out. On one hand, Boyle seems to really like it here, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him leave some cash on the table to stay in New York. On the other hand, he's not a 5 mill/year guy, and leaving money on the table may really affect his quality of life down the line, way more than it would with a Callahan level player.

Either way, I've loved Boyle here. The only times he was frustrating were when he was asked to do too much.
I was hoping for Boyle @ 1.7 mill for 4 years before the midway point in the season. I wouldn't be upset at 3 years @ 8 mill. With a cap increase, and Richards' amnesty, there should be enough money to resign players like Moore and Boyle, and give increases to guys who need it - i.e Kreider, Stepan, and Hags.

Pouloit might be an unfortunate cap casualty in the sense that we cannot resign him. Same with Stralman. Nash may have to be traded down the line, but we'll get there when we get there.

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05-27-2014, 12:12 PM
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Great post. Pretty much the situation which is why I don't see him back. $15M on the open market vs $8M from the NYR (total obviously) is a huge quality of life difference. I know it's easy to sit here and say it's still $8M! But that is a huge quality of life difference over the long haul. More so than $40M vs $50M.
I've definitely taken up the line of minimizing quality of life difference for big money players. And I stand by that. I think it's wiser to take tens of millions of dollars and have a chance to win than to exchange that chance to win for an extra few million and rot away in a "rebuild" for the rest of your career.

But, with players like Boyle, I totally understand the desire to take the extra cash. I'd rather him stay 100 times out of 100, but I won't hold it against him if he wants that extra security.

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It's a chicken vs the egg situation: did Torts overuse Boyle, or was Boyle so damn good that Torts had to play him as much?

Torts was an idiot sometimes but Boyle definitely benefited from the guy.

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I've definitely taken up the line of minimizing quality of life difference for big money players. And I stand by that. I think it's wiser to take tens of millions of dollars and have a chance to win than to exchange that chance to win for an extra few million and rot away in a "rebuild" for the rest of your career.

But, with players like Boyle, I totally understand the desire to take the extra cash. I'd rather him stay 100 times out of 100, but I won't hold it against him if he wants that extra security.
Yeah but look at what Chicago just did with Bryan Bickell.

No reason we can't survive paying Boyle a decent amount.

Either way, some contending team will give him a chance, and even if not, look at Prust - he took the money went to a rebuilding team and that team is in the ECF. Boyle will get the $, just depends on whether we want to pay him.

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Bickell 4/16. Chicago is fine.

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Bickell 4/16. Chicago is fine.
No way. And I'm in love with this guy.

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Bickell 4/16. Chicago is fine.
That's a pretty bad contract though. I don't care how much he produces in the playoffs, not worth it. The hawks fans I know can't stand him.

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Bickell 4/16. Chicago is fine.
I think that's too much for Boyle, but I'm not opposed to ponying up a bit within reason if it's the difference between keeping him or not.

It's kind of like a Prust situation. Rangers spent nearly as much money trying to replace him as they would have just resigning him. I think they'll find that replacing Boyle is harder than you'd imagine.

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We need to try our best to keep the Step, Brass and Moore/Boyle lines intact. Well, we need to keep Zucc/Brass and Moore/Boyle together. Poo and Dorsett are kind of expendable. I'd rather pay Boyle whatever money Poo is going to ask for.

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I think it will take Prust type money. 4 years, 10 mil.

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You have two sort of contrasting theories here.

The first is that Boyle is one of the top defensive forwards in the league and should be paid a fair sum to stay.

The second is that he is a relatively replaceable guy that we like because he has been here with us through so much, and, not unlike Blair Betts, won't be horribly missed when gone.

We can all agree that
A) He is almost uniquely offensively inept for an NHL forward and
B) His size is very important to an otherwise undersized forward crew.

So where do we draw the line? Moore has made him more replaceable, but Moore is another small player. I'm not keen on paying him 3 million a year, roughly half of what Brad Richards so ignominiously earns with all his offensive contributions.

I don't think you can pay 4th liners more than 1.5 million each if you want to be able to keep a competing team functional.

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It's a chicken vs the egg situation: did Torts overuse Boyle, or was Boyle so damn good that Torts had to play him as much?

Torts was an idiot sometimes but Boyle definitely benefited from the guy.
Absolutely, Torts helped mold Boyle into the player he is today.

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We need to try our best to keep the Step, Brass and Moore/Boyle lines intact. Well, we need to keep Zucc/Brass and Moore/Boyle together. Poo and Dorsett are kind of expendable. I'd rather pay Boyle whatever money Poo is going to ask for.
Yeah, if it came down to it, I would prioritize Boyle over Poo for sure. I think Boyle is a more important piece, both on the ice and in the locker room.

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He who laughs last....
It is not in the bag.
I'm only saying if FL is putting the pick on the block, and Girardi + can do it, you would create extra space by moving a salary replaced by an ELC.

The reality is one of:

FL has no intention of trading the pick
or
will trade it for enough profit worth their while.

If the latter, then the ? becomes is their best deal
Girardi +
or
another offer.

More on this down the road as the dust settles and things get into focus.

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He who laughs last....
It is not in the bag.
I'm only saying if FL is putting the pick on the block, and Girardi + can do it, you would create extra space by moving a salary replaced by an ELC.

The reality is one of:

FL has no intention of trading the pick
or
will trade it for enough profit worth their while.

If the latter, then the ? becomes is their best deal
Girardi +
or
another offer.

More on this down the road as the dust settles and things get into focus.
The Rangers just signed Dan Girardi.

We are not going to offer him to Florida. And Florida will not trade a chance to draft Ekblad for Dan Girardi.

The offer is just...beyond unrealistic.

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