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We have PK, Beaulieu and Markov. Why the hell can't we clear the zone?

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05-23-2014, 10:09 PM
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We have PK, Beaulieu and Markov. Why the hell can't we clear the zone?

Coaching? Or Emelin, Weaver and Gorges? Or both?

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05-23-2014, 10:18 PM
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Wingers? Whatever it is, it's pissing me off.

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05-23-2014, 10:23 PM
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The wingers tend to play extremely high in the zone, for one because they've learned to expect big stretch passes from Subban and Markov. As a result, the defensemen are often stuck and left to deal with their own problems in their own zone. Also one of the reasons we ice the puck so damn much.

Add to that the fact 4 of our 6 starting defensemen have a hard time dealing with the Rangers' speed and hustle, and that's about it.

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05-23-2014, 10:27 PM
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Habs wingers are always one second late to get to the boards for an easy clear/exit. You always need puck support and our forwards are doing a horrible job. Another thing I see from this team is how our Ds relied on Price to clear/move the puck. He was like a 3rd D outthere...Players like Gorges, Emelin, Weaver are even more exposed now.

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05-23-2014, 10:30 PM
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Habs wingers too high and passive.

Prime exemples : Gionta and Vanek.

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Weaver is having trouble against New York's fast forecheck. For all his defensive awareness and shot-blocking skills, Rangers speed costs him a valuable split-second for clearing passes. He's being rushed and making mistakes.

Markov and Emelin are being beaten to the puck when Rangers shoot it in. By the time they reach the boards, the puck's been passed and New York has started cycling. They're playing catch-up.

Gorges isn't any faster, but he's been a wall.

Beaulieu's fast on the transition, but he isn't punishing their forwards enough. Next game should be big for him.

Subban has to chill and play a smarter, less emotional game.

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05-23-2014, 10:50 PM
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Habs wingers too high and passive.

Prime exemples : Gionta and Vanek.
Vanek played his whole career on the left side...plus he is not the best defensive forward...put him where he's comfortable. Not excusing the guy but I think you get what I'm trying to say.

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05-23-2014, 11:03 PM
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Habs wingers too high and passive.

Prime exemples : Gionta and Vanek.
Even when there were easy exits available, the habs would still find a way to turn the puck over.... Like galchenyuk getting cute at his own blueline, which resulted in multiple scoring chances against.

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To be honest I think the defense relies too much on Price making the play behind the net to the dmen... it's a set breakout play. They are lost when they have to dig for the puck that Carey normally stops and whips out of the zone....

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05-23-2014, 11:23 PM
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Forwards get the puck and try to gently pass it past the Rangers holding the line instead of flipping it through the middle.

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No puck support. Simple as that. Habs wingers and centers cheat A LOT.

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05-23-2014, 11:36 PM
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Coaching? Or Emelin, Weaver and Gorges? Or both?
It is very simple.

The Habs do not have a structured system that allows for easy exits from our zone.

Hell, we were led to believe that the only reason the Habs could not exit the zone was Murray and Bouillon. Now that they are in the Press Box, the truth emerges.

Subban frustrates the hell out of me with his constant reliance on the stretch pass to nowhere or his lob out of the zone to lose possession. Markov relies on the hard around to nowhere which leads to turnovers in our zone or if it makes it out, loss of possession. The rest of our DMen panic with the puck a lot which leads to turnovers.

You cannot blame our struggles on any single player. It is the lack of a system which hamstrings the Habs. One would think that the coaching staff would notice this and view this as a priority that needs to be fixed ASAP. Too bad this was a common occurance since Game 1 of the Regular Season.

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05-23-2014, 11:40 PM
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Same reason we can't get a cycle going, we aren't built to win board battles and you can see now the Habs D are getting frustrated and have started icing it when they are in trouble instead of moving it up the winger to chip it out, keep waiting for it to burn us

Also doesn't help that Gionta and Prust have lost a lot of strength on their shots, I'm not sure either even have the strength to ice the puck

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Same reason we can't get a cycle going, we aren't built to win board battles and you can see now the Habs D are getting frustrated and have started icing it when they are in trouble instead of moving it up the winger to chip it out, keep waiting for it to burn us

Also doesn't help that Gionta and Prust have lost a lot of strength on their shots, I'm not sure either even have the strength to ice the puck
Dont pick out two players and then blame them.

The problem is across all lines and all D pairings.

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It is very simple.

The Habs do not have a structured system that allows for easy exits from our zone.

Hell, we were led to believe that the only reason the Habs could not exit the zone was Murray and Bouillon.
Now that they are in the Press Box, the truth emerges.

Subban frustrates the hell out of me with his constant reliance on the stretch pass to nowhere or his lob out of the zone to lose possession. Markov relies on the hard around to nowhere which leads to turnovers in our zone or if it makes it out, loss of possession. The rest of our DMen panic with the puck a lot which leads to turnovers.

You cannot blame our struggles on any single player. It is the lack of a system which hamstrings the Habs. One would think that the coaching staff would notice this and view this as a priority that needs to be fixed ASAP. Too bad this was a common occurance since Game 1 of the Regular Season.
Where did you get that from?

Most people ripped MT for his silly dump and chase system this year...

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Dont pick out two players and then blame them.

The problem is across all lines and all D pairings.
Called out all at the start and just giving examples of the 2 that have been pretty good in the past at chipping it out but their bodies are broken down to the point they can't

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05-24-2014, 12:12 AM
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This series and the series against Boston same issues. Puck goes along the board, D pinches and around we go again.

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To be honest I think the defense relies too much on Price making the play behind the net to the dmen... it's a set breakout play. They are lost when they have to dig for the puck that Carey normally stops and whips out of the zone....
This is what I was going to say as well. Price's puck play really helps the D out and limits the opponents dump in options.

Luckily the team doesn't have Murray/Boullion in, would make it worse than it already is...

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We always have at least one extra pass between defenders. Normally, this isn't bad and allows for a structured exit. The Rangers have at least one forward per line that is exceptionally fast and they are charging at full speed at the pass recipient. Unless the recipient has an obvious outlet we're left behind our net. Gorges and Subban are particularly vulnerable. Puck dump to Gorges... Gorges to Subban who has a Ranger in his face ... Back to Gorges who now has another Ranger in his face.

To change this is simple but hard.... instead of the lateral pass to other D, a winger need to support on the dump in side while opposite side D is available for outlet pass from winger.... unfortunately if it's not executed properly we're looking at a rushing winger with a freebie in the slot.

Right now we're too predictable.... it's safe and gotten us this far, but, it needs to change. Markov, Subban and Beaulieu aren't the issue. Their D partners reliance on them is.

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05-24-2014, 02:39 AM
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Subban sucks at moving the puck right now.

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It's probably a combination of things right now, but it's going to be the difference in the series if they don't improve.

Part of the problem is that the Rags are not spending much time in their zone at all. So they have fresh legs more often than not, coming through the neutral zone with speed.

It would help our D a lot if we could get some more time in the offensive end.

But when we're in our end, it's mostly puck support and a function of Ranger speed.

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i would give credit to rangers

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05-24-2014, 04:10 AM
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When we had Jacques Martin as our coach, there was a lot of talk about staying close during the breakout. Now all they do is expect a 2-line pass, even when it get's there, they are stationary and just deflect the puck in.
It's really not that hard to deke someone when they're coming at you, that's all we gotta do and now you got room to skate in to their zone without dumping it in. Eller is like the only guy that tries this. DD once in a while.
Last game even when we won board battles for the puck after we just dumped the puck in, Rangers forwards took away our pass to the point. Rangers know that's our only play, nobody is capable of actually breaking loose and contain puck possession down their middle slot.

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Vanek played his whole career on the left side...plus he is not the best defensive forward...put him where he's comfortable. Not excusing the guy but I think you get what I'm trying to say.
Pacioretty - DD - Gallagher
Vanek - Eller - Galchenyuk
Bournival - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Briere - Weise

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I agree with the posters mentioning that we underestimate Price's puck handling skills. Most of the time on a shoot in, he cuts off the puck, and just passes it up to one of his defencemen. When our d-men actually have to go back and retrieve the puck, they are usually either beaten to the puck, or are pressured enough to make a stupid pass.

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