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08-31-2005, 12:16 PM
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I'll tell you what my neck is doing in your woods...great movie line.

I like to pop in every once and a while and try to be the first to give congrats on a job well done. Usually doesn't happen and I took the chance to be here!

I'm curious on your thoughts on Pushkarev, having seen him for a year, I'm interested to hear some thoughts that aren't from mine or the press box.
He was steady but umimpressive in prospects camp. Great hands and skill.
A lot of invitees were there, which meant alot of guys trying for energy and checking line contracts (since it was right around the CBA signing) and the Exhibition game became very physical and he was very out of place.
Too small of a sample size to really make an evaluation. I am going to watch him very closely in traning camp. I want to see him play with some really skilled players in a role where he he can use his skill.

 
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GREAT WORK!! Our prospects are really good. This is really a great list. LA has prospects that will be great call-ups for atleast the next 5 seasons.

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I get all giddy when I see stuff like this.

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Frolov - Kopitar - Pushkarev
Brown - Cammalleri - Tukonen
Tambellini - Boyle - ??
I THINK IT WOULD BE KINDA cool to have the 2003 first round draft line together.
Tambellini - Boyle - Brown

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Great job! It's nice to see so many with NHL potential, after suffering for so many years.

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Great job.
I'm kinda dissapointed there was no honorable mention of Fukufuji. That was a great season he put together in the Bakersfield. I personally think he's going to turn out a lot better than anyone realized when we drafted him.

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That really is a great read. A couple questions:

1) Who are the "non-notables"? (i.e. Hauser, Giouliano, Shefer, Mantyla, Johansson, Fedorov, Andresen...if they're too old maybe there could be a section for guys who the Kings still have the rights to but don't qualify for HF ranking)
2) Is Connor James still Kings property? I thought he was signed by Reading or Bakersfield and wasn't Kings property anymore?
Damn, that is one section I forgot to include. I was going to list those prospects that are no longer considered prospects under HF's criteria.

This year, Shefer, Mantyla, Johansson, Fedorov and Hauser all exceeded their age/time requirements.

Gabinet and Marsters were never signed and are free agents.

Andresen was never signed after 2004 and has been a free agent since. I think he is playing in a canadian college now.

Connor James is technically a free agent (once his current contract is up he is free to sign anywhere like Steckel) because he never signed with the Kings within the time frame to be signed by your drafting organization. But he is under contract with either Manchester or Reading and has been assigned to Bakersfield so he is kind of quasi Kings property. (At least I think. I'll ask next time the conversation presents itself.)

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Thanx for all the kind words guys. Thanx to Aaron for watching my back.

However, reading over some of the comments, I can see I have to get a whole hell of a lot more controversial if we are going to get into some real heated prospect discussions. Next Top 20 - Ryan Murphy leaps to #1!!!!

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Great job.
I'm kinda dissapointed there was no honorable mention of Fukufuji. That was a great season he put together in the Bakersfield. I personally think he's going to turn out a lot better than anyone realized when we drafted him.
There is usually a huge shuffle at the bottom of the rankings. Literally, about 15 guys are within a couple of votes of the 20th spot. Not sure if Fukufuji was one of those (I don't have the voting tally in front of me), but he probably was.

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There is usually a huge shuffle at the bottom of the rankings. Literally, about 15 guys are within a couple of votes of the 20th spot. Not sure if Fukufuji was one of those (I don't have the voting tally in front of me), but he probably was.
Who votes? Is it you and a couple other writers who vote on each team's top prospects? Or is it similar to the process you guys take to vote on the top 50 prospects?

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Who votes? Is it you and a couple other writers who vote on each team's top prospects? Or is it similar to the process you guys take to vote on the top 50 prospects?
Nope. Much simpler process. John, Jeff and myself. That's it.

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Frolov - Kopitar - Pushkarev
Brown - Cammalleri - Tukonen
Tambellini - Boyle - ??

Tambs-boyle - clarke maybe?

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im not seeing what makes everyone think fuji is worthy of a honorable mention to the top 20. someone brought up the year he had in bakersfield but if you look at the stats they are almost identicle with the numbers of brust whos stats were slightly better, so i was just curious as to why people thinks fuji is deserves honerable mention

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Damn, that is one section I forgot to include. I was going to list those prospects that are no longer considered prospects under HF's criteria.

This year, Shefer, Mantyla, Johansson, Fedorov and Hauser all exceeded their age/time requirements.

Gabinet and Marsters were never signed and are free agents.

Andresen was never signed after 2004 and has been a free agent since. I think he is playing in a canadian college now.

Connor James is technically a free agent (once his current contract is up he is free to sign anywhere like Steckel) because he never signed with the Kings within the time frame to be signed by your drafting organization. But he is under contract with either Manchester or Reading and has been assigned to Bakersfield so he is kind of quasi Kings property. (At least I think. I'll ask next time the conversation presents itself.)
Thanks, that's the "extra" info I'm looking for so I can keep track of guys who are Kings property...it's pretty damn hard for me to keep up with it since the news is pretty sparse.

So is there anyone the Kings still have the rights to who hasn't been mentioned yet?

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However, reading over some of the comments, I can see I have to get a whole hell of a lot more controversial if we are going to get into some real heated prospect discussions. Next Top 20 - Ryan Murphy leaps to #1!!!!
well then, you're fired!

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Nope. Much simpler process. John, Jeff and myself. That's it.
....and anyone who'll buy them a few beers...

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....and anyone who'll buy them a few beers...
If that was the case, Daleks and I would buy em a **** load of beer, and Jens Karlsson would be our #1 prospect...

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Thanks, that's the "extra" info I'm looking for so I can keep track of guys who are Kings property...it's pretty damn hard for me to keep up with it since the news is pretty sparse.

So is there anyone the Kings still have the rights to who hasn't been mentioned yet?
Some 30-somethings playing in Europe (e.g. Magnus Wernblom, Mikael Simmons)

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If that was the case, Daleks and I would buy em a **** load of beer, and Jens Karlsson would be our #1 prospect...
boy...Karlsson's stats before being drafted sure looked good...in a weak draft, he seemed to be a very solid pick

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Some 30-somethings playing in Europe (e.g. Magnus Wernblom, Mikael Simmons)
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boy...Karlsson's stats before being drafted sure looked good...in a weak draft, he seemed to be a very solid pick
2001 was a pretty good draft. Better than the 1999, 2000, and 2002 drafts anyway.

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There are very few players drafted after Karlsson who have made any kind of impact on their teams.

In 1999, players selected after the #18 pick include Boynton, Havlat, Commodore and Leopold.

In 2000, players selected after the #18 pick include Frolov, Volchenkov, Hale, Sutherby, Justin Williams, Schultz, Pettinger and Martin.

Does anyone drafted after #18 compare to those guys yet?

IMO, it's too early to say the 2001 draft (after pick #18) is better than either of those. And it's also too early to judge the 2002 draft yet...IMO.

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Nice to see Lukacevic on the rise. Can't wait to catch him in some WHL games this year.
Agreed. I just wish he was a year older so we could see how he does in the AHL. Spokane has a better team this season anyways, maybe he can play on a line with Salmonsson or something. I'd love to see this guy succeed, just so more people would notice him.

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Agreed. I just wish he was a year older so we could see how he does in the AHL. Spokane has a better team this season anyways, maybe he can play on a line with Salmonsson or something. I'd love to see this guy succeed, just so more people would notice him.
He really impressed us in prospect camp. Keep us posted on how he is doing

 
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There are very few players drafted after Karlsson who have made any kind of impact on their teams.

In 1999, players selected after the #18 pick include Boynton, Havlat, Commodore and Leopold.

In 2000, players selected after the #18 pick include Frolov, Volchenkov, Hale, Sutherby, Justin Williams, Schultz, Pettinger and Martin.

Does anyone drafted after #18 compare to those guys yet?

IMO, it's too early to say the 2001 draft (after pick #18) is better than either of those. And it's also too early to judge the 2002 draft yet...IMO.
The 1999 draft was bad. Not 1996 bad but bad nonetheless. You know it's bad when you're using a player like Commodore as an example of one of the best picks after number 18 (you'd be better off using players like Zetterberg, Malone, and Erat).

The 2000 draft had little depth. Here are the results of the 2000 draft re-do for picks 21-40. Link
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21. Brian Sutherby 11 of 41 votes (26.83%)
22. Roman Cechmanek 14 of 47 votes (29.79%)
23. Brad Boyes 11 of 45 votes (24.44%)
24. Jarret Stoll 13 of 33 votes (39.39%)
25. Jozef Balej 12 of 39 votes (30.77%)
26. Krys Kolanos 14 of 40 votes (35.00%)
27. Antti Miettinen 9 of 43 votes (20.93%)
28. Steve Ott 18 of 34 votes (52.94%) in tie-breaker vs Sauer.
29. Kurt Sauer 13 of 36 votes (36.11%)
30. Andy Hilbert 16 of 30 votes (53.33%) in tie-breaker vs Hossa.

2nd round:
31. Marcel Hossa 19 of 45 votes (42.22%)
32. Jared Aulin 12 of 19 votes (63.16%) in tie-breaker vs Hainsey.
33. Ron Hainsey 8 of 31 votes (25.81%)
34. Yannick Lehoux 8 of 29 votes (27.59%)
35. Andreas Lilja 9 of 26 votes (34.62%)
36. Jeff Taffe 8 of 23 votes (34.78%)
37. Mikael Tellqvist 5 of 20 votes (25.00%)
38. Vaclav Nedorost 6 of 19 votes (31.58%)
39. Pavel Vorobiev 5 of 13 votes (38.46%)
40. Lubomir Sekeras 6 of 25 votes (24.00%)
The 2001 draft has a lot of good prospects. They may not have had an impact yet, but they have not had the development time that the 1999 or 2000 picks have had. The 2001 draftees have only had three years in which they could have made an impact on their NHL team. Apply the same standards to the 1999 and 2000 drafts and none of Commodore, Leopold, Hale, or Martin make any impact of their NHL team (within three years of their draft). If you use Boynton's original draft year (1997), he doesn't make an impact either.

The 2001 draft has a lot of players drafted after 18 that could be making an impact: Morrison, Gleason, Perezhogin, Tyutin, Cammalleri, Spiller (and if we're using Sutherby's 11 points in 71 game season or Pettinger's 12 ponts in 71 game as the basis for making an impact, then some of these 2001 players already have made impacts). More very solid prospects like Roy, Grigorenko, Armstrong, Goc, Ehrhoff. And overagers like Zidlicky, Cajanek, Nurminen, Huet, Gerber, and Markkanen have already helped their clubs.

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