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08-31-2005, 09:01 AM
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If ATL got Hossa for Heatley they would take nothing less than Thronton for Kovy.

Trading Murray after he signed long term as a UFA would not be wise considering future UFA's may not want to sign on with BOS due to the fact they may get traded a month later.

Samsonov is to injury proned and he is inconsistent.

Kovalchuk is a franchise player, a game breaker and maybe the best sniper in the game you don't get a player like that for a couple second line players, especially when one was on the open market a month ago.

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Samsonov/Murray/Jurcina/3rd for Mr. Kovalchuk. Let um rip!!!!!! This is assuming Sammy signs a 4 year 16 mil extention and Ilia signs a 26.5 mil. 5 year deal.
That's oligophrenic!



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08-31-2005, 11:46 AM
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If ATL got Hossa for Heatley they would take nothing less than Thronton for Kovy.

Trading Murray after he signed long term as a UFA would not be wise considering future UFA's may not want to sign on with BOS due to the fact they may get traded a month later.

Samsonov is to injury proned and he is inconsistent.

Kovalchuk is a franchise player, a game breaker and maybe the best sniper in the game you don't get a player like that for a couple second line players, especially when one was on the open market a month ago.
Second line Players? Murray is a first liner, And Samsonov is first line material. That is about all I would give up for Kovalchuck! Two average 1st line wingers, prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, for an above average winger! I wouldn't even think of giving up Thornton for some Russian dude who probably over values himself. Franchise player? He is just a younger Marian Hossa who most likely doesn't speak english yet. I would much rather build my team around Thornton. I dont know why Im even responding! It is not going to happen.

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Second line Players? Murray is a first liner, And Samsonov is first line material. That is about all I would give up for Kovalchuck! Two average 1st line wingers, prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, for an above average winger! I wouldn't even think of giving up Thornton for some Russian dude who probably over values himself. Franchise player? He is just a younger Marian Hossa who most likely doesn't speak english yet. I would much rather build my team around Thornton. I dont know why Im even responding! It is not going to happen.
Younger Marian Hossa? No way. Kovalchuk's ceiling is way, way higher. The guy craps turds that have more talent than half of the NHL.

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Younger Marian Hossa? No way. Kovalchuk's ceiling is way, way higher. The guy craps turds that have more talent than half of the NHL.
I Totally agree with you! I didn't mean performance wise! I just don't think he is a team leader type of player. Kind of like Hossa. He was a team leader in points but didn't seem to be a team leader on the ice.

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I Totally agree with you! I didn't mean performance wise! I just don't think he is a team leader type of player. Kind of like Hossa. He was a team leader in points but didn't seem to be a team leader on the ice.
So what? Why does he have to be a leader off the ice? Isn't being one of the best goal scorers in the league enough? I would think it is. There's 19 other players on the team, a guy who scores a lot of goals doesn't have to be the leader. As long as he's not a cancer, what does it mater?

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So what? Why does he have to be a leader off the ice? Isn't being one of the best goal scorers in the league enough? I would think it is. There's 19 other players on the team, a guy who scores a lot of goals doesn't have to be the leader. As long as he's not a cancer, what does it mater?
It doesn't matter! I was just pointing out that he is being compared to players like Thornton, Iginla, and Lecaviler. Those guys are obviously team leaders where Kovalchuck is not. That is why I compared him to Hossa because he plays a similar role. He is better and younger than Hossa and deserves more $$. Lecaviler is getting paid 6.8m while Hossa is getting paid 6. Hossa's stats are clearly better, but Lecaviler's role as a team guy is obviously valuable to Tampa.

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Put the car in drive. First you said "he's just a younger Hossa, he probably doesn't even speak English" and then you say you just meant in terms of leadership, and now it's no big deal. Which is it?

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Put the car in drive. First you said "he's just a younger Hossa, he probably doesn't even speak English" and then you say you just meant in terms of leadership, and now it's no big deal. Which is it?
What are you talking about? I said he is a younger Hossa because he has comparable role to Hossa. I said it doesn't matter to me, what do I care if you think Kovalchuck is the leader of the team just because he can put up points! He is not the kind of guy I want leading my team! He might be that type of player in the future but right now at 22 he is not.

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08-31-2005, 03:11 PM
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Boston: Ilya Kovalchuk

Atlants: Sergei Samsonov, Mark Stuart, 2nd round pick

Mark Stuart has Scott Steven's potential, and Samsonov (only if he gets an extension) would fill in as a left winger on either the first or second line. That's the only fair deal I can see while not including Thornton.

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Boston: Ilya Kovalchuk

Atlants: Sergei Samsonov, Mark Stuart, 2nd round pick

Mark Stuart has Scott Steven's potential, and Samsonov (only if he gets an extension) would fill in as a left winger on either the first or second line. That's the only fair deal I can see while not including Thornton.


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Very nice rebuttle I must say, very convincing argument.

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I was just pointing out that he is being compared to players like Thornton, Iginla, and Lecaviler. Those guys are obviously team leaders where Kovalchuck is not.
Weren't Bruins fans crapping all over Thornton after the last playoffs when he played poorly and the Bruins got knocked out?

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Weren't Bruins fans crapping all over Thornton after the last playoffs when he played poorly and the Bruins got knocked out?
Everyone was, but it was just I think. He played injured, so I wasn't expecting much. Hopefully this year, he silences a lot of critics.

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Very nice rebuttle I must say, very convincing argument.
Do I really need to give arguments to a comment as stupid and ridiculous as that?
Scott Stevens is a future HOF(He'll be a 1st ballot too), he was captain the 2nd year of his tenure with the devils, hes won 3 cups as captain, he was known as the toughest meanest SOB, he is one of the best ever in open ice hitting, he is an amazing leader, he hurts people without trying, he makes no mistakes in his zone, he has turned a full franchise around, he was the anchor behind the best defense in the last decade, he has 1635 games and 908 points, hes a career +393. he has 2785 PIM, HES NEVER BEEN A MINUS PLAYER, EVER, he has 233 playoff games and 118 points, hes had 5 years of 20+ games in the playoffs, he's been names to the Olympic squad, he's been named 14 times to the all star games, he's been on the All rookie team, twice a first team all star, three times a second team all star and he has one Conn smythe trophy. How the hell can you even compare Mark Stuart to him, its completly ridiculous and boderline retarded.

Oh and BTW, Scott Stevens was in the NHL at 18 years old.

Heres a little thread that has some good info on Scott Stevens:
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Fair deal: Thornton for Kovalchuk.

Don't wanna give up Thornton: Samsonov, Bergeron, Boynton and a 1st round draft pick
why not just sign kovalchuk and give up the four 1st round picks.

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Do I really need to give arguments to a comment as stupid and ridiculous as that?
Scott Stevens is a future HOF(He'll be a 1st ballot too), he was captain the 2nd year of his tenure with the devils, hes won 3 cups as captain, he was known as the toughest meanest SOB, he is one of the best ever in open ice hitting, he is an amazing leader, he hurts people without trying, he makes no mistakes in his zone, he has turned a full franchise around, he was the anchor behind the best defense in the last decade, he has 1635 games and 908 points, hes a career +393. he has 2785 PIM, HES NEVER BEEN A MINUS PLAYER, EVER, he has 233 playoff games and 118 points, hes had 5 years of 20+ games in the playoffs, he's been names to the Olympic squad, he's been named 14 times to the all star games, he's been on the All rookie team, twice a first team all star, three times a second team all star and he has one Conn smythe trophy. How the hell can you even compare Mark Stuart to him, its completly ridiculous and boderline retarded.

Oh and BTW, Scott Stevens was in the NHL at 18 years old.

Heres a little thread that has some good info on Scott Stevens:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=167772

Take a look at this Mark Stuart profile! under FUTURE it even says: However, some feel his upside is as high as to become a Scott Stevens-like player.
Not saying that he is going to be the next Scott Stevens but he has the potential to be!

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect/mark_stuart

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Samsonov/Murray/Jurcina/3rd for Mr. Kovalchuk. Let um rip!!!!!! This is assuming Sammy signs a 4 year 16 mil extention and Ilia signs a 26.5 mil. 5 year deal.
Simply not good for Atlanta!

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Take a look at this Mark Stuart profile! under FUTURE it even says: However, some feel his upside is as high as to become a Scott Stevens-like player.
Not saying that he is going to be the next Scott Stevens but he has the potential to be!
The same people who felt Stefan's potential was Jaromir Jagr. HF is a good site, but I dont put any stock in their potential analysis and if you really buy that your one naive kid.

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The same people who felt Stefan's potential was Jaromir Jagr. HF is a good site, but I dont put any stock in their potential analysis and if you really buy that your one naive kid.
Did I ever say that he was going to be a Scott Stevens! He compares his style of play to scott stevens! "I play a two-way game as a defenseman," said Stuart describing his style. "I play a physical type of game. I take pride in my defensive game, but I want to work on my offensive skills. I mold myself after Scott Stevens. He plays a physical, tough defensive game and I try to emulate his style."

Enough said! No one really knows how he is gonna turn out, but it's not too far out of his range.

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If Kovalchuk is going to Boston, Thornton would have to be coming back. Anything less and the Thrasher's are getting ripped.
More like anything less and the Bruins would be have half there salary tied up into two players.

Don't forget, this is Hary Sinden we're talking about... or as they call him in spain... "El Cheapo"...

... *sighs* I try....

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Do I really need to give arguments to a comment as stupid and ridiculous as that?
Scott Stevens is a future HOF(He'll be a 1st ballot too), he was captain the 2nd year of his tenure with the devils, hes won 3 cups as captain, he was known as the toughest meanest SOB, he is one of the best ever in open ice hitting, he is an amazing leader, he hurts people without trying, he makes no mistakes in his zone, he has turned a full franchise around, he was the anchor behind the best defense in the last decade, he has 1635 games and 908 points, hes a career +393. he has 2785 PIM, HES NEVER BEEN A MINUS PLAYER, EVER, he has 233 playoff games and 118 points, hes had 5 years of 20+ games in the playoffs, he's been names to the Olympic squad, he's been named 14 times to the all star games, he's been on the All rookie team, twice a first team all star, three times a second team all star and he has one Conn smythe trophy. How the hell can you even compare Mark Stuart to him, its completly ridiculous and boderline retarded.

Oh and BTW, Scott Stevens was in the NHL at 18 years old.

Heres a little thread that has some good info on Scott Stevens:
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So what? On Hockeysfuture it says "some say his potential could be that of Scott Stevens" or something to that effect. They're not always right, but I'm not making anything up. I don't care that you call me borderline retarded, Scott Stevens was good, but not untouchable. Mark Stuart has the potential says Hockeysfuture, and they have a bit more hockey knowledge than you. You thinking that it's completely impossible, that's borderline retarded.

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So what? On Hockeysfuture it says "some say his potential could be that of Scott Stevens" or something to that effect. They're not always right, but I'm not making anything up. I don't care that you call me borderline retarded, Scott Stevens was good, but not untouchable. Mark Stuart has the potential says Hockeysfuture, and they have a bit more hockey knowledge than you. You thinking that it's completely impossible, that's borderline retarded.
You asked me arguments and I gave you some pretty damn good ones, much better then hockeysfuture, who's writers btw are just normal fans like you and me. If you really think Mark Stuart has Scott Stevens potential, then good for you but your in for major disapointments.Scott Stevens wasnt just good, he was pretty darn amazing. Stevens was in the NHl at 18 and part of the Rookie team, where was Mark Stuart? He might not be untouchable, but thinking Stuart has good chances of becoming a future HOF with 14 all star appearances, 3 cups, completly turning a franchise around AND a Conn smyth, well, thats more then just far fetched.

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Jay Bouwmeester is the next Bobby Orr.

See, thats not impossible, but its still boderline retarded.

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