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05-28-2014, 11:04 AM
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Rule 48 - Illegal Check to the Head

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

48.5 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent with an illegal check to the head.

If deemed appropriate, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion.

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Should be treated the same as the Prust hit for different reasons. The Prust hit targeted the chest, and was late. The Moore hit was to the head, but not late.

IMHO Quintal has some explaining to do if he uses the rule 48 supplementary discipline provision and gives out less than what was doled out for a commissioner review for an interference play.

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Wow, pathetic. Prust targeted the chest but Moore targeted the head. Get out of here. Jaw is part of the head. Shame on me for not taking Prust's word for it.

Most Rangers fans realize this is suspension incoming. The fact that Montreal fans still think Prust was aiming for anywhere other then the head is beyond pathetic.

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05-28-2014, 11:06 AM
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Suspend Prust two games so his 1st game back is at MSG.... brilliant
Are you suggesting location of future games should play a role in the length of a suspension?

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05-28-2014, 11:08 AM
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Oh, no, here come the MTL fans and their rationales.

No injury on the play, first of all, so no similarity.

Also video does not show that Weise's head was the point of contact. It does show he got clocked to the chest and his lid flipped.

48.1 clearly states that the head is "targeted and the principal point of contact". Not the case here.

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05-28-2014, 11:09 AM
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Only someone with a totally biased agenda can say "Oh Prust targets the chest, while Moore targets his head" that is utter nonsense. They're the same damn thing except one was a little later and premeditated. Care to guess which one? Figures a Montreal fan would say something so asinine.



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05-28-2014, 11:17 AM
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The hits are so oddly similar it's eerie. I'd love to get another angle on the Moore hit, but it does look like Prust gets way contact to the head (assuming the jaw is part of the head, which Habs fans might not heheheheheh) than Moore does.

I stand by what I think will happen.

Moore should get one. If he gets two or more I wouldn't be shocked mainly due to the gross incompetence of the NHL.

EDIT - Here's another angle



I'd really love a shot from the Rangers bench, and that side of the ice.

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05-28-2014, 11:18 AM
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If Stepan doesn't suffer a broken jaw, Prust gets nothing.

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05-28-2014, 11:18 AM
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I just think that if Moore was a little smarter and went shoulder-to-shoulder, that hit would have been fine. But no, he wanted to bury Weise for taking a run at him earlier in the game, and ended up catching the chest/neck/chin area on the hit.

Dumb, predatory play. You just can't hit a guy in that position. He'll get 2 games, even though he only deserves one if we're basing it on the NHL's criteria. Even though Prust had a history, and his hit injured someone, Moore still gets 2 games, just because the NHL doesn't want the MTL media whining.

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to be honest after seeing the hit again, what is actually illegal with it? he shoulders him in the chest and it wasnt too late.

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05-28-2014, 11:19 AM
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From the timing side, the hit was closer to Weaver's on Brassard than the Prust hit.

From the contact point, very similar to the Prust hit.

From the injury perspective - Weise was dazed and later returned to the game. Stepan returned to the game but was found to have a fractured jaw the next day. I'm sure the Montreal doctors will determine that Weise has a fractured skull and the ebola virus as a result of the hit.

Prust had been suspended before in the playoffs on a head shot, Moore hasn't.

If Moore gets more than one game, the league is a joke...which was obvious from the length of the Prust suspension.

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05-28-2014, 12:08 PM
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If Stepan doesn't suffer a broken jaw, Prust gets nothing.
The official line was that Prust was going to get one game, then when they found out about the injury it was increased to two. So Moore should get one game, or less. And the or less is because unlike the Prust hit Moore got a five minute major and a game misconduct already.

Anything more than a game is Quintal hating the Rangers and loving the Habs.

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From the timing side, the hit was closer to Weaver's on Brassard than the Prust hit.

From the contact point, very similar to the Prust hit.

From the injury perspective - Weise was dazed and later returned to the game. Stepan returned to the game but was found to have a fractured jaw the next day. I'm sure the Montreal doctors will determine that Weise has a fractured skull and the ebola virus as a result of the hit.

Prust had been suspended before in the playoffs on a head shot, Moore hasn't.

If Moore gets more than one game, the league is a joke...which was obvious from the length of the Prust suspension.
I have to admit, this made me laugh.



That hit would've been clean in the 90s. Clearly illegal today because it came from the blind side. Received a 5 min major and a match during the game. I felt it should've been 2 min. Not as bad as Prust's hit, either in terms of timing or where he hit him.

Given the factors above plus Moore's lack of history and the lack of injury on the play (stupid that this enters into the decision, but it does), I don't think it warrants a suspension. Given what's gone on in the series, however, I expect one. Should be one game. Will likely be two, because, ya know, Montreal. If it's more, it'll be a friggin' travesty.

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05-28-2014, 12:47 PM
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This hit was predatory and from the blindside, much like the Prust hit. He should get 1 game, based on history and injury outcome, but I would bet my house on him getting 2, just due to the stink the Montreal media will put up if Moore gets less games than Prust for very similar incidents.
My read is that the Prust hit was slightly later than Moore's. On the other hand, Moore more clearly targeted the head--in Prust's case the chest was the initial point of contact. Prust's shoulder then slid up into Stepan's chin.

Another factor that is not going the help Moore's case is the angle of contact. Moore approached Weise from a more oblique angle. Prust hit Stepan more squarely and I believe that may be taken into consideration when calculating the suspension.

The easiest course of action for Quintal is clearly to suspend Moore for 2 games. "Evening it up" is a time-honored tradition in the NHL. The two hits were not identical but similar enough to make this possible.

That said, I would not be shocked if Moore got 4 or 5 games, or was not suspended at all.

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both hits were late

prust was much later. step had moved the puck almost 1 sec before.

moores was right after the puck was moved but still late even though the league says .5 sec is acceptable.

prust deserved his 2 games. his was the more violent, intent driven cheap shot plus the injury.

i think moore deserves 1 game only if that.

prust has history and is pretty much a 4th line goon/scrub.

moore isnt that kind of player at all and in many ways im actually happy he took that borderline legal shot.

still laugh that prust didnt even get a 2 min minor.

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simalar hits, prust does not get a penalty and the gets 2 games. Moore gets a 5 min and game, you can bet he get 4 or 5 games. Anything rest of league gets you can double for Rangers!

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My read is that the Prust hit was slightly later than Moore's. On the other hand, Moore more clearly targeted the head--in Prust's case the chest was the initial point of contact. Prust's shoulder then slid up into Stepan's chin.

Another factor that is not going the help Moore's case is the angle of contact. Moore approached Weise from a more oblique angle. Prust hit Stepan more squarely and I believe that may be taken into consideration when calculating the suspension.

The easiest course of action for Quintal is clearly to suspend Moore for 2 games. "Evening it up" is a time-honored tradition in the NHL. The two hits were not identical but similar enough to make this possible.

That said, I would not be shocked if Moore got 4 or 5 games, or was not suspended at all.

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My read is that the Prust hit was slightly later than Moore's. On the other hand, Moore more clearly targeted the head--in Prust's case the chest was the initial point of contact. Prust's shoulder then slid up into Stepan's chin.

Another factor that is not going the help Moore's case is the angle of contact. Moore approached Weise from a more oblique angle. Prust hit Stepan more squarely and I believe that may be taken into consideration when calculating the suspension.

The easiest course of action for Quintal is clearly to suspend Moore for 2 games. "Evening it up" is a time-honored tradition in the NHL. The two hits were not identical but similar enough to make this possible.

That said, I would not be shocked if Moore got 4 or 5 games, or was not suspended at all.
First, Moore didn't "more clearly target the head." Second, Prust completely changed his trajectory to cheap shot Stepan as Stepan moved away from the play, and his hit was almost twice as late as John Moore's. Moore will definitely get two games, though. Or else the Mongoloids that comprise the Montreal media will whine even more. I also have no faith in Quintal, a known Ranger hater, to dole out anything resembling a fair ruling.

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There are much more important, irreplaceable players that could get suspended than John Moore.

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There are much more important, irreplaceable players that could get suspended than John Moore.
My thoughts as well. I think Moore's looked shaky this entire series. He seems like he's running around way too much. Diaz seems to be the obvious choice here, but I honestly wouldn't mind letting Falk get a game with the way this series is going. Staal has been our nastiest dman, and even he is not very punishing. Might be nice to have someone lay the wood on the habs forwards.

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Awful hit. Moore deserves whatever he gets regardless of other plays in this series.

Diaz has been good the few times he's been in mostly. Moore has been skating well and hitting a lot this series and he will be missed, but this not the worst loss the Rangers could suffer by a long shot.

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too bad Mclrath isn't ready

be nice to have the undertaker on the ice to keep things a little more honest especially with Prust back in the lineup

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too bad Mclrath isn't ready
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Prust had been suspended in 2012 for an elbow to the head. He broke Stepan's jaw. If Stepan was not injured,I don't think Prust would have gotten anything. It was a late hit but the they called it "interference".
Isn't a late hit interference by definition? Interference is the penalty for a check laid on a player without the puck and thus illegal.

Stepan did not have possession by that point.

The league also pointed out that Prust's hit significantly contacted Stepan's head.

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Very similar hit to Prusts, except for two factors:

1) Moore was more timely with his hit, not as late.
2) PPoC was the chest, not the chin.

Those two factors are what made Prust's hit illegal. It looked worse live than it does when you watch it a few times. Last night I was fine with a couple games, now I'm not so sure.

That being said, if the league doesn't suspend Moore, all hell could break loose. He'll be a target next game, and Prust will probably go back to doing something dumb. The league will probably suspend him for a game to keep things in check. Preventative measures, and as much as I don't think he deserves a suspension, I can see why they would do it.

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