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06-01-2014, 05:08 PM
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Other players who fit the bill not mentioned are Bob Pulford, Edgar Laprade, Dick Duff, Herbie Lewis, Harry Watson, and Igor Larionov.

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^ the first 14 years of steve yzerman's career.
Agree with your larger point, but, is the Pearson not a major award?

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Agree with your larger point, but, is the Pearson not a major award?
I think it is. In fact my opinion on it is that it to be revered by your peers with such reverence means more than what group of writers think of you. Needless to say, our peers can be biased too, and may not make the more appropriate choice at times.

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I don't think you can penalize a guy just because he DIDN'T play for the Montreal Canadiens. It is better to judge him on what he did rather than what he might have done in another universe in another world, on another team. I don't believe in that. How did he perform the way the cards were dealt?

Gainey and how he performed isn't the issue, if he had a similar performance on a different team, say buffalo he just wouldn't get the accolades that he does.

Just being on a SC team 6 times and part of a dynasty does that to players and never in a negative way.

His "performance" isn't elite or HHOF worthy but his perception and legend is in the eyes of voters.

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Other players who fit the bill not mentioned are Bob Pulford, Edgar Laprade, Dick Duff, Herbie Lewis, Harry Watson, and Igor Larionov.
I agree with Igor, not as much for the others but it's interesting that Dick Duff's similarity scores are

Duff
Ricci
Watson
Pulford

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Gainey and how he performed isn't the issue, if he had a similar performance on a different team, say buffalo he just wouldn't get the accolades that he does.

Just being on a SC team 6 times and part of a dynasty does that to players and never in a negative way.

His "performance" isn't elite or HHOF worthy but his perception and legend is in the eyes of voters.
I don't think this is an "either/or" issue. You both are right. Performance and timing while not entirely equal, are ingredients to a HOF career.

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Agree with your larger point, but, is the Pearson not a major award?
oh man i totally forgot he won that. but yes, of course it's a major award.

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Mats Sundin. Great player but never won any major award.
He won the Mark Messier Leadership Award.

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Players like Peter Stastny and Marcel Dionne are respected as all-time greats, but they're given about 25% the attention they should. However, if Stastny had played for Toronto and Dionne for Montreal, they'd today be thought of as the equals of Beliveau and Yzerman.
Hmmm, pretty strong stuff. Equals of Yzerman, maybe. Beliveau, no way IMO.

Another scenario: if Stastny had not defected, he would be considered 'just' one of the best (Czecho)slovak forwards ever. He had a few very good seasons in Europe, but nothing overly outstanding. There was no indication that he would be greater than Nedomansky, Martinec, Novy etc.


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Hmmm, pretty strong stuff. Equals of Yzerman, maybe. Beliveau, no way IMO.

Another scenario: if Stastny had not defected, he would be considered 'just' one of the best (Czecho)slovak forwards ever. He had a few very good seasons in Europe, but nothing overly outstanding. There was no indication that he would be greater than Nedomansky, Martinec, Novy etc.
sure but both Stastny and Hawerchuck stepped into the NHL as elite stars and centers from day one.

Peter with 6 straight 100 point seasons, then 77 in 64 games and another 111 point season.

80's or not simply incredible production.

Hawerchuck stepped in as a rookie a nailed 8 straight seasons of 91 plus points as the stud on his team as well.

both guys really suffered from not playing on dynasties and in the shadow of Wayne in the 80's IMO.

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