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06-06-2014, 10:59 AM
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Klein is very moveable. Re-sign Stralman and flip Klein. Let Diaz, Allen (he plays both sides, correct?), and McIlrath duke it out for the third pairing.

Also, I don't know that a Staal extension would be wise. What is he going forward? His play fluctuates a lot more than it did when he was an all star. All of our top defense prospects aside from McIlrath are lefties: Skjei, Allen, and Bodie. Allen could be a better option for the third pairing next year than Moore. I'd recommend letting Staal play out next season and then see where things are.
I must agree on Staal. While he is nearly invaluable to our Defense, the money may, or may not be there, and we'll have to see how some of the ELC filler players play out. God knows, I mean, what if, for some ridiculous reason Allen becomes as good as Staal? I'm not saying this will happen, but what if it does?

I'd also like to see if Klein could essentially replace Stralman. Though Klein is "movable", there is no reason that we should look into moving him if the equivalent of him costs $4M+ (Stralman will no doubt get at least $4M on the open market.)

Those are all factors that must be considered.

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hmm.. 23 years old, and already has a 40 point season (AHL) and a 50 point season (NHL) under his belt....

Signed for only 3M... could do a D for F swap... buying out Brad net's 3.6 in cap space... that's not too shabby either for a young centerman.. Not sure what the leafs are looking for this year though.. any idea?
Yeah but I wouldn't do a Staal for Kadri trade, and without that I don't see a trade going down...

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I must agree on Staal. While he is nearly invaluable to our Defense, the money may, or may not be there, and we'll have to see how some of the ELC filler players play out. God knows, I mean, what if, for some ridiculous reason Allen becomes as good as Staal? I'm not saying this will happen, but what if it does?
I think Skjei is ready for top four minutes in a year and a half to two year's time.

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I'd also like to see if Klein could essentially replace Stralman. Though Klein is "movable", there is no reason that we should look into moving him if the equivalent of him costs $4M+ (Stralman will no doubt get at least $4M on the open market.)

Those are all factors that must be considered.
Klein can't replace Stralman. The former is a solid third pairing guy who won't do anything dumb. The latter massively drives our possession game.



Notice that Stralman has positive (blue) possession numbers despite getting tons of starts in the defensive zone against high level competition. Klein's not on the chart, but both he and Moore have been getting the vast majority of their starts in the offensive zone. Klein's possession numbers are negative.

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Well I don't understand the Staal and Girardi criticism in terms of doing away with them, but I do get that they haven't played up to their capabilities the last few games.

The team is in the finals with those anchors on D, and I see no reason to move them. Top 4 defensemen are at a premium and the league doesn't have 120 legitimate top 4 D for all 30 teams. Lets keep that in perspective before wanting to do away with stability on the back end.

I think that the first two priorities prior to free agency would be to lock up Stralman, and one of Moore/Boyle, whichever is cheaper (most likely Moore), and then decide on making moves from there.

In the case of Stralman and Pouliot, they've been journeymen elsewhere before coming here so I'm sure both recognize that and can be had for a lower cap hit if the term is there. Stralman is the one that needs to decide if he wants to be successful and play on a winning team in NYC, or chase dollars elsewhere, because before this system, before this season, he was only a number 5 D. A good one at that, but he was only a few months away from the Euroleagues before the Rangers picked him up. Ideally 4-5 year deal at around $3.3-3.7M.

On Pouliot, I really admired the way he's played in the back half of the regular season, but the 1st half was just awful, and he's been on and off in the playoffs. You don't want to lose the chemistry and he may turn out to be the Rangers Pascal Dupuis, but I wouldn't go gaga if he was gone. I think he re-signs for a multi year deal around $1.85M, which is a good deal for everyone involved.

Boyle I think is gone, and that's simply because of what he will get in the open market. If people were shocked at Prusts $2.5M hit, they'll probably gasp at Boyle's deal.

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Would behoove the Rangers to explore a deal for Kadri and/or Gardiner if the Leafs are in fact shopping them. Gardiner makes sense if Staal is dealt to make room, and he fits in well with the attacking style of play that we've been using. Certainly take a hit in terms of size and shutdown ability, but that might be a trade-off the team needs to make.

Kadri is dynamic off the rush and has the pace to drive up the ice with guys like MSL and Hagelin. Obviously doesn't bring a lot of size to the position, but if speed is going to be this team's M.O., then they ought to bring a lot of it.

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Klein is very moveable. Re-sign Stralman and flip Klein. Let Diaz, Allen (he plays both sides, correct?), and McIlrath duke it out for the third pairing.

Also, I don't know that a Staal extension would be wise. What is he going forward? His play fluctuates a lot more than it did when he was an all star. All of our top defense prospects aside from McIlrath are lefties: Skjei, Allen, and Bodie. Allen could be a better option for the third pairing next year than Moore. I'd recommend letting Staal play out next season and then see where things are.
Klein's contract is on par with our youngsters. There's no reason to move him at such a low cap hit. He's an asset moving forward. Plus he's a RD which we are short on. Diaz would get similar money. I"d rather pay Klein 500K more to do the same job.

Allen might be ready next year and in that case you think about moving Moore or letting someone walk.

Honestly, it really comes down to who do you want more, Staal or Stralman? Who do you think is the steadier player.

Staal has higher upside in games, but Stralman almost never seems to have a bad one. He was the only D-Man who started the season off playing well, imo.

One of those guys has to go. We can't lock up 4 d-men to 5+ per year. Trading Klein doesn't change that.

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Klein's contract is on par with our youngsters. There's no reason to move him at such a low cap hit. He's an asset moving forward. Plus he's a RD which we are short on. Diaz would get similar money. I"d rather pay Klein 500K more to do the same job.

Allen might be ready next year and in that case you think about moving Moore or letting someone walk.

Honestly, it really comes down to who do you want more, Staal or Stralman? Who do you think is the steadier player.

Staal has higher upside in games, but Stralman almost never seems to have a bad one. He was the only D-Man who started the season off playing well, imo.

One of those guys has to go. We can't lock up 4 d-men to 5+ per year. Trading Klein doesn't change that.
Klein makes $2.9 million. That's a lot of money for a third pairing guy. Moving him and going with someone like Diaz probably frees up enough cash to squeeze Stralman under the cap.

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Klein makes $2.9 million. That's a lot of money for a third pairing guy. Moving him and going with someone like Diaz probably frees up enough cash to squeeze Stralman under the cap.
Just what we need; The guy who was benched in Game 1 of the SCF to be a main component of our 3rd pairing all year long.

$2.9M is just fine for a guy who plays the 3rd pairing, and has shown the ability to play on the 2nd pairing as well.

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Just what we need; The guy who was benched in Game 1 of the SCF to be a main component of our 3rd pairing all year long.

$2.9M is just fine for a guy who plays the 3rd pairing, and has shown the ability to play on the 2nd pairing as well.
The dropoff on the second pair going from Stralman to Klein versus the dropoff on the third pair going from Klein to Diaz/McIlrath/Allen is not close. Keep in mind Diaz hasn't played much lately and has been playing on his off side.



See that line at the very bottom? That's Klein. See the line at the very top? That's Stralman. Losing Stralman is the quickest way to destroy our ability to possess the puck.

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I'm not going into this Klein argument again. So I'll back out early. I think he is a piece we should be keeping. He is paid very fairly for a solid third pairing guy. Look at the comparables. He has was also very good in the last round. Stralman has nothing to do with Klein. In reality we can't keep both Stralman and Staal, so that's the discussion we need to have.

If we're discussing Diaz vs. Klein, that's a joke. Diaz will cost between 1.7-2 Mil next season. If we sign him to that to dump Klein, that's embarrassing.

I'll leave it at that.

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I'm not going into this Klein argument again. So I'll back out early. I think he is a piece we should be keeping. He is paid very fairly for a solid third pairing guy. Look at the comparables. He has was also very good in the last round. Stralman has nothing to do with Klein. In reality we can't keep both Stralman and Staal, so that's the discussion we need to have.

If we're discussing Diaz vs. Klein, that's a joke. Diaz will cost between 1.7-2 Mil next season. If we sign him to that to dump Klein, that's embarrassing.

I'll leave it at that.
I doubt Diaz commands more than $1M.

For the record, Klein is a much better player than Diaz. Anyone who thinks Diaz would seamlessly fill in for Klein is fooling themselves.

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I doubt Diaz commands more than $1M.

For the record, Klein is a much better player than Diaz. Anyone who thinks Diaz would seamlessly fill in for Klein is fooling themselves.
Being able to play Klein and Moore as a regular shift is one of the big reasons the Rangers are where they are right now.

Having a solid third pairing is as important as having a solid fourth line these days. In fact it might be more important.

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Definitely keep/first priority: Brassard, Kreider, Zuccarello, J. Moore, one of Boyle/Moore
Try as hard as possible to keep: one of Boyle/Moore, Pouliot, Stralman
Ditch: Richards (CBO) and Diaz...maybe trade Dorsett to Edmonton for a draft pick

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Definitely keep/first priority: Brassard, Kreider, Zuccarello, J. Moore, one of Boyle/Moore
Try as hard as possible to keep: one of Boyle/Moore, Pouliot, Stralman
Ditch: Richards (CBO) and Diaz...maybe trade Dorsett to Edmonton for a draft pick

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Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
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I don't think Stralman takes 4 Mil. And I don't know that Brass stays on the same salary. I'd think he'd be around 4 with Zucc.

Also think we should consider signing Carcillo for 800K if we move Dorsett.

That is also asking A LOT of Miller.

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I don't think Stralman takes 4 Mil. And I don't know that Brass stays on the same salary. I'd think he'd be around 4 with Zucc.

Also think we should consider signing Carcillo for 800K if we move Dorsett.

That is also asking A LOT of Miller.
There's wiggle room. Brassard could move up to 4.

And I don't think so, regarding Miller. It's not like Richards is the driving force behind his line. I, for one, think Miller would look great with wingers of Hagelin's/MSL's caliber. He's a talented guy, he needs to be with talented players, at his natural position. I think we can afford the growing pains with our overall depth.

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The dropoff on the second pair going from Stralman to Klein versus the dropoff on the third pair going from Klein to Diaz/McIlrath/Allen is not close. Keep in mind Diaz hasn't played much lately and has been playing on his off side.



See that line at the very bottom? That's Klein. See the line at the very top? That's Stralman. Losing Stralman is the quickest way to destroy our ability to possess the puck.
Just what I needed to be proven wrong. A chart showing Klein's CF20 over a time period where he spent the majority of his time with a team who played a defensive system and lacked offensive talent as a whole.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to go down the 'advanced' stats route. But that's all besides the point considering I didn't even mention Stralman in that post.

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Klein is a replacement level player. He is no better than Paul Mara, Malik, etc.

Just not seeing the fascination with a player who's getting the least ice time on a playoff team.

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I think Skjei is ready for top four minutes in a year and a half to two year's time.



Klein can't replace Stralman. The former is a solid third pairing guy who won't do anything dumb. The latter massively drives our possession game.



Notice that Stralman has positive (blue) possession numbers despite getting tons of starts in the defensive zone against high level competition. Klein's not on the chart, but both he and Moore have been getting the vast majority of their starts in the offensive zone. Klein's possession numbers are negative.
Klein actually has the best 5-on-5 possession numbers on the team this playoff. Been on the ice for 6 GA at 5-on-5. Him and J. Moore have done a pretty damn good job considering their role. John Moore has been on for 4 GA 5-on-4.

The bigger picture is that Girardi and Klein are both on solid contracts and Stralman could get a lot of money as a FA. I mean, Slats could try to trade Klein for a draft pick and use McIlrath on the 3rd pairing, that would save $1.7M

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Klein actually has the best 5-on-5 possession numbers on the team this playoff. Been on the ice for 6 GA at 5-on-5. Him and J. Moore have done a pretty damn good job considering their role. John Moore has been on for 4 GA 5-on-4.

The bigger picture is that Girardi and Klein are both on solid contracts and Stralman could get a lot of money as a FA. I mean, Slats could try to trade Klein for a draft pick and use McIlrath on the 3rd pairing, that would save $1.7M
I don't think it's worth it... not for that little cap space... if it brought back $3M in cap, then I'd say go for it, but to make the 3rd pairing crap again, it's not worth it.

I think the ONLY changes that should be made are:

Richards Bought out
Stralman Signed OR Stralman replaced with either Diaz or another FA fill in
Miller replaces Richards spot in the line up
All others are retained, including Boyle and Moore. Could even sign Carcillo to a minimum contract (he'll probably HAVE to take it), and then tarde Dorsett to get $700k in cap space back.

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Klein actually has the best 5-on-5 possession numbers on the team this playoff. Been on the ice for 6 GA at 5-on-5. Him and J. Moore have done a pretty damn good job considering their role. John Moore has been on for 4 GA 5-on-4.

The bigger picture is that Girardi and Klein are both on solid contracts and Stralman could get a lot of money as a FA. I mean, Slats could try to trade Klein for a draft pick and use McIlrath on the 3rd pairing, that would save $1.7M
I don't think that is much of a surprise, AV does a good job putting them in good positions. That 3rd pair is out there starting a lot of face offs in the offensive zone.

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I don't think we are in the cup finals without the Klein trade.

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Buyout Richards, and trade Staal straight up for Spezza. Both have one year left on their deals and our "#1" C is actually almost a #1 C.

Too bad the guy is made of glass.

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People still *****ing about Klein? He's a 4-6 D that's signed to an entirely reasonable contract, brings a physical edge to his game, and is a RHD.

No reason to move him.

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