HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Columbus Blue Jackets
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-11-2014, 07:58 AM
  #126
EDM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,461
vCash: 500
I agree with trading Anisimov AFTER this season.

None of the trades I have seen proposed here clearly make us much better. Most are lateral type moves.

EDM is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 08:55 AM
  #127
Kev22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Plain City, OH
Country: United States
Posts: 3,513
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EDM View Post
I agree with trading Anisimov AFTER this season.

None of the trades I have seen proposed here clearly make us much better. Most are lateral type moves.
Look, I like Arty, but if you have the chance to upgrade this club, you shake his hand, thank him and wish him well. It's likely that most of what is proposed here has a snowballs chance in hell, but if you have a chance to acquire a player like Patrick Sharp or Logan Couture or Joe Pavelski and anyone of their ilk, Artem Anisimov would never be a sticking point. You make that kind of deal every day and twice on Sunday.

Kev22 is online now  
Old
06-11-2014, 09:08 AM
  #128
pete goegan
HFBoards Sponsor
 
pete goegan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,292
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev22 View Post
Look, I like Arty, but if you have the chance to upgrade this club, you shake his hand, thank him and wish him well. It's likely that most of what is proposed here has a snowballs chance in hell, but if you have a chance to acquire a player like Patrick Sharp or Logan Couture or Joe Pavelski and anyone of their ilk, Artem Anisimov would never be a sticking point. You make that kind of deal every day and twice on Sunday.
I've already said that I like Anisimov but would trade him for an upgrade; however, what would have to go along with him to get a player like those you've mentioned? First round pick? Fine. Good prospect? Depends. Roster player/players? Maybe. Who and how many?

The stated goal for this summer is to get smarter and faster. I'll be very interested to see how that gets accomplished. If it costs AA, but the team gets closer to the vision expressed by the FO, then I'll be fine with it.

pete goegan is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 09:20 AM
  #129
cbjfaninmo
Jarmo von Raschke
 
cbjfaninmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lake Ozark, MO
Country: United States
Posts: 927
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pete goegan View Post
The stated goal for this summer is to get smarter and faster. I'll be very interested to see how that gets accomplished. If it costs AA, but the team gets closer to the vision expressed by the FO, then I'll be fine with it.
It will be interesting very soon. Who, in some of the names thrown around, fits the bill? High hockey IQ and fast? Do we have any "low" IQs that get dumped?

cbjfaninmo is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 09:44 AM
  #130
CBJRzeznik
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 223
vCash: 500
There are several interesting names being thrown around that could be upgrades to the top 6: Perron, Yakupov, L. Erikkson, Pavelski, Couture. Though it is likely that some of these players aren't actually available or the price will be prohibitive, I am interested in seeing what Jarmo may be able to swing. From my perspective, FA possibilities are less appealing (Cammy, Vrbata) but no assets are being moved so that may be worth it. Excited at the possible player movement this offseason.

CBJRzeznik is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 09:52 AM
  #131
RDriesenUD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,704
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJRzeznik View Post
There are several interesting names being thrown around that could be upgrades to the top 6: Perron, Yakupov, L. Erikkson, Pavelski, Couture. Though it is likely that some of these players aren't actually available or the price will be prohibitive, I am interested in seeing what Jarmo may be able to swing. From my perspective, FA possibilities are less appealing (Cammy, Vrbata) but no assets are being moved so that may be worth it. Excited at the possible player movement this offseason.
Not completely true. You are likely to have to pay the FA more money which is a big asset too.

RDriesenUD is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 09:56 AM
  #132
CBJRzeznik
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 223
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RDriesenUD View Post
Not completely true. You are likely to have to pay the FA more money which is a big asset too.
Of course I agree $ matters...however, you did read that I said no assets are being moved...the lack of moving existing players was my point.

CBJRzeznik is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 10:14 AM
  #133
Fro
Cheatin on CBJ w TBL
 
Fro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Drinking With Carts
Country: United States
Posts: 16,333
vCash: 500
Eklund on Cammy

On Cammalleri

Similar to Bolland and Toronto, Cammer has had discussions with Calgary about returning and I do believe that gets done...the Penguins and Devils are also interested...as could be Nashville if a few other players don't end up in Nashville.

Fro is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 10:18 AM
  #134
BluejacketNut
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,614
vCash: 500
This draft/offseason is an important one. Fresh off the less then impressive trade deadline Jarmo needs to make some good moves. If we miss the playoffs this upcoming year, all that goodwill will be gone. They ran the commercials over and over of JD talking about needing to build a better team to compete with the Pens and such, time to actually live up to those words. And as we're seeing from the level the Kings/Hawks played we still have a ways to go, so I want to see an aggressive offseason to make this team a cup contender, not just one that squeaks into the playoffs.

BluejacketNut is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 10:23 AM
  #135
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,101
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RDriesenUD View Post
Not completely true. You are likely to have to pay the FA more money which is a big asset too.
Are you an accountant?

Seriously if we want a free agent we will have to pay market rate or really sell the attraction of the zoo and a big backyard.

EspenK is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 10:47 AM
  #136
Kev22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Plain City, OH
Country: United States
Posts: 3,513
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluejacketNut View Post
This draft/offseason is an important one. Fresh off the less then impressive trade deadline Jarmo needs to make some good moves. If we miss the playoffs this upcoming year, all that goodwill will be gone. They ran the commercials over and over of JD talking about needing to build a better team to compete with the Pens and such, time to actually live up to those words. And as we're seeing from the level the Kings/Hawks played we still have a ways to go, so I want to see an aggressive offseason to make this team a cup contender, not just one that squeaks into the playoffs.
From JD and JK's track record, I don't see why they wouldn't live up to their word. The team obviously took a step this season and you're right, they need to take another step forward next season.

I still think the trade deadline is being overblown. IMO the team played better and more focused after the trade deadline without Gabby. Jury is still out for me on the deal. If the purpose of the deal was to create flexibility to make this club better, then Jarmo better step up.

If they are looking for aggressive, hard working, smart players, I would expect the same thing from the front office. Practice what you preach. Jarmo has been touting that he wants to "protect the future of the franchise" well then I expect smartly constructed deals and signings. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't sell the farm, it would be shooting the organization in the foot.

Kev22 is online now  
Old
06-11-2014, 10:58 AM
  #137
RDriesenUD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,704
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJRzeznik View Post
Of course I agree $ matters...however, you did read that I said no assets are being moved...the lack of moving existing players was my point.
I know. I was just pointing out that money is an asset. In some cases, moving a player/prospect is actually better than having to spend more money.

RDriesenUD is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 11:23 AM
  #138
major major
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,247
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
Foligno after next season, Arty after the following.




If it were up to you this team would be known as the Columbus Hotel California.

Exactly how do you ice a team with both of them plus Wennberg,Rychel,Bjorkstrand and maybe Dano? I suppose Rychel-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand would make a hell of a 4th line but really do you see that happening?

If we add a free agent F or two this year their continuing as Jackets for the long term becomes less likely imo.

I definitely see Arty being a tradeable asset more next year than this and I see Foligno as the more likely of the two to stay but I wouldn't be surprised if they are both gone two years from now (or sooner). A lot depends on the young guys development but right now I wouldn't assume they are here for the long haul.
And why would you want to expel a late 20 something player for every kid? I would be shocked if all of those kids turn out as effective and versatile as Foligno, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of them become as effective at physical play, puck control and leadership.

major major is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 11:53 AM
  #139
Xoggz22
HFB Partner
 
Xoggz22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Country: United States
Posts: 4,542
vCash: 500
I have to believe the hardest thing for a GM is to determine what the young players will become. That would go a long way to determining the course of action I would think. Bringing in a UFA will cost a lot of money and typically term for an impact player. It ties up a roster spot that may go to a young player with more coat flexibility but unknown production. Not all promising young players will pan out so the challenge is picking the right balance of you choose to add via UFA.

JD mad and JK have preached a long term approach. That's what I want. A long term winner. Is also want to win next year and given our current makeup we are on the cusp of being a long term winner. I see the promising youth and would prefer we not go the FA route but also see where it could help. Going to be an interesting off season. One where half of us are pissed off and the other half happy.

Xoggz22 is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:07 PM
  #140
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,101
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by major major View Post
And why would you want to expel a late 20 something player for every kid? I would be shocked if all of those kids turn out as effective and versatile as Foligno, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of them become as effective at physical play, puck control and leadership.
Maybe if you took the comment in whole rather than cherry picking a piece of it you'd understand better.

My point was IF we add a FA or two AND keep Arty and Foligno AND add the kids we will have a roster size of 26 or so. We can't do everything and I see Arty and Foligno as odd men out IF we add FA's and the kids develop as hoped.

EspenK is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:12 PM
  #141
major major
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,247
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
Maybe if you took the comment in whole rather than cherry picking a piece of it you'd understand better.

My point was IF we add a FA or two AND keep Arty and Foligno AND add the kids we will have a roster size of 26 or so. We can't do everything and I see Arty and Foligno as odd men out IF we add FA's and the kids develop as hoped.
It's not cherrypicking. That's the exact point I'm disagreeing with. I don't think Foligno should be the odd man out even if all that other stuff happens.

major major is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:20 PM
  #142
JoeCBJfan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 9
vCash: 500
Columbus / Pittsburgh Good Trade Partners?

Wanted feedback of an idea to help both teams...
Starting pieces of...
Umberger, Johnson, +
for
Neal and Latang

JoeCBJfan is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:25 PM
  #143
CBJWennberg41
Me when I watch CBJ
 
CBJWennberg41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 15,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeCBJfan View Post
Wanted feedback of an idea to help both teams...
Starting pieces of...
Umberger, Johnson, +
for
Neal and Latang
No way. I wouldn't trade prominent picks/prospects to a rival team, regardless of whats coming back (unless teams in our division get stupid and try to trade Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, etc)

CBJWennberg41 is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:26 PM
  #144
RedStorm45
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: 614
Posts: 1,250
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeCBJfan View Post
Wanted feedback of an idea to help both teams...
Starting pieces of...
Umberger, Johnson, +
for
Neal and Latang
Your + is going to probably have to be at least 3 first round picks or two first round picks and Rychel/Wennberg.

So, no.

Plus no one wants that a$$hole Neal in Cbus anyway.

RedStorm45 is online now  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:26 PM
  #145
Doug19
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Country: Aland Islands
Posts: 6,194
vCash: 500
after watching Letang almost single handedly give us the series, I don't want any part of him.

Doug19 is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:36 PM
  #146
BluejacketNut
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,614
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev22 View Post
From JD and JK's track record, I don't see why they wouldn't live up to their word. The team obviously took a step this season and you're right, they need to take another step forward next season.

I still think the trade deadline is being overblown. IMO the team played better and more focused after the trade deadline without Gabby. Jury is still out for me on the deal. If the purpose of the deal was to create flexibility to make this club better, then Jarmo better step up.

If they are looking for aggressive, hard working, smart players, I would expect the same thing from the front office. Practice what you preach. Jarmo has been touting that he wants to "protect the future of the franchise" well then I expect smartly constructed deals and signings. I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't sell the farm, it would be shooting the organization in the foot.
Well thats the thing though, JK has no track record, what i've seen so far is luke warm. I was fine with trading Gaborik if he was replaced, but he wasnt which was a big mistake IMO. If "protecting the future" because your main goal, you're never going to win anything. You have to take risks at times, and you take them when the situation warrants it, IMO a playoff push is that time. And as we saw with many of the trades, (Gabby, Molsen, and Vanek), it was a buyers market, I sure as hell hope the tires were at least kicked on other options. The verdict is in for me on the trade and it was a D- grade mainly for the fact we had to take on Frattin AND pay part of Gaborik's contract, that portion is just mind blowing to me.

BluejacketNut is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:38 PM
  #147
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,101
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by major major View Post
It's not cherrypicking. That's the exact point I'm disagreeing with. I don't think Foligno should be the odd man out even if all that other stuff happens.
Okay, I can uderstand that. But if we do add a FA or two and the kids develop who is the odd guy out? Cam is the only other guy I can see who has any trade value that we might be willing to part with. Of course maybe the FA's become Gabby-like and they go right back out.

EspenK is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:38 PM
  #148
Fro
Cheatin on CBJ w TBL
 
Fro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Drinking With Carts
Country: United States
Posts: 16,333
vCash: 500
wouldn't mind Neal, but no on Letang...the health issues worry me...plus as said, he nearly handed us that series..

Fro is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 12:50 PM
  #149
BluejacketNut
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,614
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
Okay, I can uderstand that. But if we do add a FA or two and the kids develop who is the odd guy out? Cam is the only other guy I can see who has any trade value that we might be willing to part with. Of course maybe the FA's become Gabby-like and they go right back out.
Well i've got a feeling UFA's will be knocking down our door to sign here and then get traded to the Kings

BluejacketNut is offline  
Old
06-11-2014, 01:40 PM
  #150
thebus2288
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Michigan
Country: United States
Posts: 979
vCash: 500
So still we have people who wan't to get rid of Anisimov here in the next couple years. Or even Foligno. You want to make the team better? The only young guy that has a chance to meet the impact of Foligno or Arty in the next couple years is Wennberg. Even the odds of that aren't very high. And if that's the case and our center depth is still a strong point then wouldn't it make more sense to get rid or Letestu? Or Mackenzie. Without the "grit" of Mackenzie, Artem is just as effective as both offensively and defensively. He's just better. And lets not forget that both him and Foligno are still only 25.

Anisimov can literally play any position, any on-ice situation, and any role needed on the ice and not look out of place. If anybody deserves the Ryan Murray "everything good, nothing great" tagline it's probably him. And there's lots of value in that. It may not be as noticeable as some of the more offensively hyped guys who you want to bring in to make our team better, but its there.

thebus2288 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:10 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.