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06-08-2014, 03:38 PM
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Nigeria is corrupt as he'll so a lot of people would steer clear. Should be reported in the news though but it happens o often that it isn't a surprise. If this happened somewhere where terrorism isn't a common thing, like Angola or Kenya, then you'd probably see more about it.
Oh, lots of people are regularly being killed there; no big news.

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06-08-2014, 04:31 PM
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Oh, lots of people are regularly being killed there; no big news.
Sadly its true. It shouldn't be like that but it is. Things like this happen a lot in Nigeria and if they're regular then they're not shocking so don't get coverage so much. I'm only speaking of the UK press but the coverage of the Syrian war has dropped of and today was the first time they'd mentioned Nigeria in a few days.

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Well you could make a very similar argument about South Africa, but the answer is not to go back to apartheid

Regardless, Nigeria is not the only african country with problems with terrorists

However they got it, reportedly from their own goverment funneling them US Aid, Al Shabab is in possession of US Arms, it's certainly possible that these terrorist organizations are getting a great deal of support from their own government. Pakistan has illustrated that strongly enough.
You mean demonstrated by Zardari the U.S. lapdog, who handed over Raymond Davis to U.S. Authorities even though he committed espionage, killed Pakistani civilians, etc? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. It's hilarious how little people in North America know what goes on in Pakistan. They should stick to watching Fox News telling them how Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam is a "terrorist organization" or some other BS like that.

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Sadly its true. It shouldn't be like that but it is. Things like this happen a lot in Nigeria and if they're regular then they're not shocking so don't get coverage so much. I'm only speaking of the UK press but the coverage of the Syrian war has dropped of and today was the first time they'd mentioned Nigeria in a few days.
Imagine if a pretty blond girl got abducted and killed there. The media maelstrom would reach disappeared-airliner proportions.

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You mean demonstrated by Zardari the U.S. lapdog, who handed over Raymond Davis to U.S. Authorities even though he committed espionage, killed Pakistani civilians, etc? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. It's hilarious how little people in North America know what goes on in Pakistan. They should stick to watching Fox News telling them how Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam is a "terrorist organization" or some other BS like that.
Good thing we have you here to set us straight.

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Islamic terrorists, oil-rich country, moral imperatives.

Sounds like a country that needs Team America.

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The Religion of Peace.
Yeah, because Boko Haram speaks for Muslims everywhere.

Let's just ignore that people like Ibrahim Ahmed Abdullahi and Liman Bana were killed for speaking out against them. But I'm sure you knew that already.


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Imagine if a pretty blond girl got abducted and killed there. The media maelstrom would reach disappeared-airliner proportions.
Surely you're not suggesting that missing white woman syndrome is real?




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Surely you're not suggesting that missing white woman syndrome is real?
If only Amanda Knox would have been a black man...

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You mean demonstrated by Zardari the U.S. lapdog, who handed over Raymond Davis to U.S. Authorities even though he committed espionage, killed Pakistani civilians, etc? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. It's hilarious how little people in North America know what goes on in Pakistan. They should stick to watching Fox News telling them how Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam is a "terrorist organization" or some other BS like that.
You are simply wrong, it's well known that there are strong connections between the ISI and the Taliban and it's been all but proven that the ISI knew of Bin Ladens location, there are often Pakistani military checkpoints only a few hundred meters from Taliban checkpoints, Osama Bin Laden was killed literally across the street from a base

There's nothing xenophobic about it, the man who put 50 bullets into a politician for suggesting that insulting the last prophet SHOULDNT be punishable by death(his own bodyguard) is celebrated as a hero today and his picture is up at the center of his hometown covered in wreaths, there are people who would honestly hand over all their wealth to the Taliban if asked, they have support

Let's not get it twisted, everyone is my family is Muslim, almost everyone I know is Muslim, it's got nothing to do with the gap because in my eyes there is no gap, I know plenty of people born and raised there that agree with me

I'm not ignoring that Pakiston gives the US airstrips to use predator drones, but I'm also not going to ignore everything else that shows that they have proponents of the Taliban still in their own government


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Islamic terrorists, oil-rich country, moral imperatives.

Sounds like a country that needs Team America.
With a large African American population, I wonder how things would go if the US went to an African country and some soldiers got up to no good (as always happens in any war). A war crime here and there, innocent civilian lives... but not in some Arab country this time.

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The Religion of Peace.

it's a minority of crazies. heard somewhere that its 20% are radical... but that 20% is a major part of the global population lol.

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You are simply wrong, it's well known that there are strong connections between the ISI and the Taliban and it's been all but proven that the ISI knew of Bin Ladens location
You accuse me of being wrong, then proceed to regurgitate propaganda being passed off as "intelligence". And you acknowledge that your claims are not proven. If it's so obvious, what's taking so long for it to be proven?


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there are often Pakistani military checkpoints only a few hundred meters from Taliban checkpoints, Osama Bin Laden was killed literally across the street from a base.
Have you ever been to Pakistan? Or did your contacts in one of the most incompetent "intelligence" agencies (CIA) tell you this? I am curious as to how you know where Taliban checkpoints are, and how close they are in proximity to military checkpoints?

Bin Laden being killed near a military base just tells us it's only logical a joint operation months in the making would take place at such a location. Where else would it take place? In a van just outside bin Laden's house?


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Let's not get it twisted, everyone is my family is Muslim, almost everyone I know is Muslim, it's got nothing to do with the gap because in my eyes there is no gap, I know plenty of people born and raised there that agree with me
Interesting, so I guess I can use the same argument. Everyone in my family is Muslim, almost everyone I know is Muslim. I know plenty of people born and raised in Pakistan who agree with me, being of Pakistani descent myself. But of course you know more than they do.

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I'm not ignoring that Pakiston gives the US airstrips to use predator drones, but I'm also not going to ignore everything else that shows that they have proponents of the Taliban still in their own government
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm simply stating that the US-fabricated conspiracy theory of the Taliban and ISI being on cahoots with each other is wrong. Overstating the influence of the Taliban in the Pakistani govt is just as absurd.

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06-22-2014, 10:22 PM
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it's a minority of crazies. heard somewhere that its 20% are radical... but that 20% is a major part of the global population lol.
You're quite correct that it's the minority of crazies, however, it's the vast majority of silent moderates that give cover to the crazies by not speaking out against them, or actually fighting them in the religious doctrinal arena. That's why they're complicit in the crazy factions' actions. Islam has not had a reformation because fundamentally it's a religion that does not allow dissent nor will it allow for any reformation period where they reform the religion. Islam is a religion that looks to out-breed its religious rivals. The moderates will be the cause of a furtherance of religious zealotry because they do nothing to stop it.

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You're quite correct that it's the minority of crazies, however, it's the vast majority of silent moderates that give cover to the crazies by not speaking out against them, or actually fighting them in the religious doctrinal arena. That's why they're complicit in the crazy factions' actions. Islam has not had a reformation because fundamentally it's a religion that does not allow dissent nor will it allow for any reformation period where they reform the religion. Islam is a religion that looks to out-breed its religious rivals. The moderates will be the cause of a furtherance of religious zealotry because they do nothing to stop it.
It hasn't had a "reformation" because it doesn't have a Pope and has never been as centralized at the medieval church.

You don't denounce every murder in America. So, by your logic, you must be giving cover to 20,000 murders a year (not including the bombs we drop) and the imprisonment of 2 million.


(There you go vaya)


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It hasn't had a "reformation" because it doesn't have a Pope and has never been as centralized at the medieval church.

You don't denounce every murder in America. So, by your logic, you must be giving cover to 20,000 murders a year (not including the bombs we drop) and the imprisonment of 2 million.


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It doesn't require Popes to have reformed itself. Many other religions don't have Popes either and are quite peaceful. Centralization is also there, just not in the scope of Catholicism. They centralize themselves according to sects and those sect leaders.

And your logic isn't logic, since I don't denounce every aspect of every religion including aspects of Islam.

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It doesn't require Popes to have reformed itself. Many other religions don't have Popes either and are quite peaceful. Centralization is also there, just not in the scope of Catholicism. They centralize themselves according to sects and those sect leaders.

And your logic isn't logic, since I don't denounce every aspect of every religion including aspects of Islam.
My mistake, I thought you were talking about the Reformation, not just reforming to account for cultural changes. That kind of reforming happens all the time. Hell this specific group in Nigeria were explicitly created as an opposition to western culture- which couldn't have happened before western culture got there. Needless to say it is not the best of "reforms".

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You accuse me of being wrong, then proceed to regurgitate propaganda being passed off as "intelligence". And you acknowledge that your claims are not proven. If it's so obvious, what's taking so long for it to be proven?
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Have you ever been to Pakistan? Or did your contacts in one of the most incompetent "intelligence" agencies (CIA) tell you this? I am curious as to how you know where Taliban checkpoints are, and how close they are in proximity to military checkpoints?
This is straight from the horses mouth, Pakistani officials acknowledged to the New York Times that the americans had evidence that the ISI chief knew where Bin Laden was, Malala Yusfzai* said she had seen Taliban checkpoints literally hundreds of meters from military checkpoints, she also mentions that her and her family believe that and that it's a very strong sentiment in Pakistan

*After Malala Yusufzai was shot in the head, there was so much paranoia (from the actual officers) that there were taliban sympathizers inside the military base she was being treated at, that when her father went for a shave inside that building that they needed body guards in the room to ensure the soldier giving him the shave wouldn't slit his throat

*(from her book)

Wikileaks even reported that Bin Laden was being shielded by the Pakistani government
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Bin Laden being killed near a military base just tells us it's only logical a joint operation months in the making would take place at such a location. Where else would it take place? In a van just outside bin Laden's house?
A joint operation with who? Don't tell me you actually think Pakistan had knowledge of the operation?

And are you actually suggesting that Bin Laden would evade capture for 10 years, and then decide to live across the street from a Pakistani military base just because, and that either the US military and Pakistani government knew this was where he would end up months in advance?

That compound was custom built in 2004 across the street from that base, do you honestly believe that there was this tiny window of opportunity?
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I'm not ignoring anything, I'm simply stating that the US-fabricated conspiracy theory of the Taliban and ISI being on cahoots with each other is wrong. Overstating the influence of the Taliban in the Pakistani govt is just as absurd.
If it's US created its a DAMN good one, because theres a lot of Pakistanis that are buying into it


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