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06-06-2014, 01:07 PM
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So then the only conclusion I can come to is that they are not terrorists and this whole thing is a bunch of ********.
Well, Bush did say that if you support the terrorists then you are a terrorist, so................. pretty sure that allows us to arrest the world.

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06-06-2014, 01:09 PM
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They are being labeled as enemy combatants, which means they aren't subject to any of the treaties telling us how to treat POWs.


You mean something we made up to break the law. Yeah, you could be right.

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06-06-2014, 02:06 PM
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It's a disgrace to release dangerous seasoned terrorist leaders
If they were such dangerous terrorists with a laundry list of crimes, then they should have been tried as such. Alas, they were just held in prison for over a decade without ever facing charges.

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They are being labeled as enemy combatants, which means they aren't subject to any of the treaties telling us how to treat POWs.
Which also means they don't have to be released in a year from now. These guys aren't officers of the Afghan army, they are part of a global network of extremists and terrorists who are engaged in permanent violent jihad against the U.S. and other "infidel" nations.

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Which also means they don't have to be released in a year from now. These guys aren't officers of the Afghan army, they are part of a global network of extremists and terrorists who are engaged in permanent violent jihad against the U.S. and other "infidel" nations.

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Which also means they don't have to be released in a year from now. These guys aren't officers of the Afghan army, they are part of a global network of extremists and terrorists who are engaged in permanent violent jihad against the U.S. and other "infidel" nations.
FWIW, I have a hard time classifying them as POWs, too. They are certainly a different class of captive.

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FWIW, I have a hard time classifying them as POWs, too. They are certainly a different class of captive.
I consider them international bandits/guerillas fighting outside the rules of war. They aren't criminals in a conventional sense, but they also aren't POWs.

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06-06-2014, 02:22 PM
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I consider them international bandits/guerillas fighting outside the rules of war. They aren't criminals in a conventional sense, but they also aren't POWs.
You do understand that the Taliban commanders were part of the Afghan government until it was overthrown by the US and Northern Alliance, right?

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06-06-2014, 02:25 PM
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Which also means they don't have to be released in a year from now. These guys aren't officers of the Afghan army, they are part of a global network of extremists and terrorists who are engaged in permanent violent jihad against the U.S. and other "infidel" nations.
Educate me, what international crimes have been perpetrated by this 'global network of extremists & terrorists' known as the Taliban...as far as I was aware they are limited to Afghanistan & some remote tribal regions of Pakistan?

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06-06-2014, 02:29 PM
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The rules of war, tee hee. I assume the U.S. adhered 100 percent to "the rules of war" while we were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right?

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The rules of war, tee hee. I assume the U.S. adhered 100 percent to "the rules of war" while we were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right?
I'd say it goes back even further. IMO, you lose your ability to invoke the 'rules of war' when you drop an ATOMIC BOMB on another country.

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You do understand that the Taliban commanders were part of the Afghan government until it was overthrown by the US and Northern Alliance, right?
The Taliban government of Afghanistan was not internationally recognized. You do understand that, right?

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The Taliban government of Afghanistan was not internationally recognized. You do understand that, right?
Do you understand there's a difference between Al Qaeda and the Taliban?

The Taliban were the tenants of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda were the globetrotters, not the Taliban. Edit: I really don't see how this is so much more outrageous than any POW transfer of the past.


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Educate me, what international crimes have been perpetrated by this 'global network of extremists & terrorists' known as the Taliban...as far as I was aware they are limited to Afghanistan & some remote tribal regions of Pakistan?
The Taliban on the ground are united and virtually indistinguishable from Pakistani extremists and militant islamists from across the globe. The role of the Taliban played in the Al Qaeda network is the primary reason Western troops ever went to Afghanistan.

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The Taliban government of Afghanistan was not internationally recognized. You do understand that, right?
That's nice. They were the ones running the country when the US invaded.

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That's nice. They were the ones running the country when the US invaded.
They were a gang of bandits usurping much of the country and the U.S. along with a host of other countries from across the world came to the assistance of the legitimate government. That was essentially the position of the United Nations and the international community.

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A gang of bandits who the US gave weapons to a decade earlier.

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A gang of bandits who the US gave weapons to a decade earlier.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, amirite? That strategy has never failed before.

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A gang of bandits who the US gave weapons to a decade earlier.
Since they were killing awful commies they were heroic freedom fighters. They later evolved into murderous thugs.

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It's kind of a moot point anyway, isn't it, since Obama supported the Afghan war and didn't simply release all Taliban fighters on that basis. Whether the Afghan War was a good idea or not isn't really the question here.

If you think they should sell this deal on the premise that the Taliban were Afghanistan's legit government and thus the U.S. had no business invading and disposing them..well then good luck with that.

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The Taliban on the ground are united and virtually indistinguishable from Pakistani extremists and militant islamists from across the globe. The role of the Taliban played in the Al Qaeda network is the primary reason Western troops ever went to Afghanistan.
In other words you're just blowing smoke like Bushie did. The Taliban played no role in al-qaeda, al-qaeda in Afghanistan were basically the residue of the 'foreign fighters' who were funded & armed by the US to heroically fight the Soviets & remained as uncomfortable tenants of the following Afghani governments which includes the Taliban. The Taliban were a nasty, but local, fundamentalist phenomenon.

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The Taliban government of Afghanistan was not internationally recognized. You do understand that, right?
On the whole, yes, the international community did not recognize the Taliban government, but Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the UAE (maybe Qatar) did recognize it.

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It's kind of a moot point anyway, isn't it, since Obama supported the Afghan war and didn't simply release all Taliban fighters on that basis. Whether the Afghan War was a good idea or not isn't really the question here.

If you think they should sell this deal on the premise that the Taliban were Afghanistan's legit government and thus the U.S. had no business invading and disposing them..well then good luck with that.
People should realize that it's unacceptable to capture people in another country and hold them without trial for over a decade.

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In other words you're just blowing smoke like Bushie did. The Taliban played no role in al-qaeda, al-qaeda in Afghanistan were basically the residue of the 'foreign fighters' who were funded & armed by the US to heroically fight the Soviets & remained as uncomfortable tenants of the following Afghani governments which includes the Taliban. The Taliban were a nasty, but local, fundamentalist phenomenon.
From Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, i.e. the horse's mouth in 2001 in an interview with BBC Pashto: "But the current situation in Afghanistan is related to a bigger cause - that is the destruction of America."

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The Taliban on the ground are united and virtually indistinguishable from Pakistani extremists and militant islamists from across the globe. The role of the Taliban played in the Al Qaeda network is the primary reason Western troops ever went to Afghanistan.
There absolutely is a difference.

The Taliban want to establish a government in Afghanistan that is set up according to Islamic law- as in, their twisted basterd interpretation of it.

Al Quada feels that there is currently a global culture war going on- the West vs. Islam. As such, they view themselves as warriors of Islam, fighting the ever encroaching Western culture that threatens to consume and destroy Islamic identity.

In other words, one group views American soldiers as an annoyance only so long as they are in Afghanistan. The other views the very existence of America and American (Western) culture as an inimical threat to Islam.

Further, these guys have been in prison for the past 14 years. If they rejoin, it will NOT be in a position of authority. It will be as grunts. 5 more grunts doesn't make a difference. To steal a quote from Troy, these aren't Taliban super ninjas.

It was a PoW exchange, and while I agree that it is right to question whether Obama broke the law (which he technically did) or whether the risk was worth it, to say that it unequivocally was not and that this is another scandal for Obama (not you specifically, right wing talking points are this sentences' target) is incorrect.

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