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06-08-2014, 11:54 AM
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Yikes.. Elite offensively? When you say elite offensively I think Karlsson, Keith, and Byfuglien..... Justin Schultz isn't even in the same company, please don't say he's elite offensively, he's done absolutely nothing to warrant that kind of praise
In the last two years he is 26th overall in points by a defenseman and is 8th in goals. That may no make the definition of elite but in a 30 team league it is pretty significant.

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It's not a fallacy to point out the minutes given. According to you, Petry is a better puck mover, better at everything and so he should be getting the most minutes, even strength and PP, and yet Schultz has the distinct edge in both. Your interpretation has a hole in it.
The key is "should be." The organization has decided to give Schultz the push instead. Given the results and your own claim that they've put him in a position to fail, I'm surprised you'd take their side.

According to you he's been given crap partners and hasn't been sheltered. The obvious solution is to either find him better partners, shelter him more, or some combination thereof.

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I'm not a huge Eakins fan, but I'm not hater either. It's definitely silly to suggest that he would force Schultz into a prominent role for absolutely no reason.
Who suggested that? I didn't. They signed the guy to be a top pairing option and so they are trying to force him into it. It's not working, as the results clearly show.

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It's also not Eakins' fault that Schultz played with Ference. Eakins had no options. Schultz also played with Nick Schultz, Klefbom, and Larsen. Eakins tried every combo available, but none of them cut it on the top pairing, forcing Eakins to keep trying.
Schultz's most common partners over the last two seasons were Nick Schultz, Ference, Belov, Klefblom and Whitney (the latter two he played fewer than 150 minutes with).

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You say that it's Schultz' fault that they failed on the top pairing, but wow, those players seem like obvious bottom pairing fodder to me.
Schultz the elder was a dud, you'll get no argument from me. But Andrew Ference was good enough to be on the second pairing on a Cup winner and has done okay when paired with other defensemen (like Petry). Could be a bad fit with Schultz, but the same pattern plays out over and over again with others. At some point you have to consider the common denominator.

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06-08-2014, 12:54 PM
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Justin Schultz is unsuited to be a top pairing d-man at this stage of his career. That doesn't mean you trade him away. That means you bring in a player or two to move him down the depth chart and develop him properly.
But the thread started with Schultz's agent saying he wanted first pairing money.

I hope you aren't arguing to pay him first pairing money and pay him on the second or third pairing.

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06-08-2014, 01:03 PM
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But the thread started with Schultz's agent saying he wanted first pairing money.

I hope you aren't arguing to pay him first pairing money and pay him on the second or third pairing.
I guess that would depend on whether you're arguing the only options are giving him first-pairing money or trading him.

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$5 million X 5 years has a nice ring to it... wouldn't doubt that's what the Oilers pony up to keep the last member of their "core" happy.

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I guess that would depend on whether you're arguing the only options are giving him first-pairing money or trading him.
His agent is arguing Schultz deserves first pairing money. If they stick to that what are the options but trading him?

I definitely don't think he deserves first pairing money.

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06-08-2014, 01:57 PM
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His agent is arguing Schultz deserves first pairing money. If they stick to that what are the options but trading him?

I definitely don't think he deserves first pairing money.
How about MacT does some negotiating and does his god damn job. As I said early in the thread. If you traded every player who asked for too much money when their contract came up you wouldn't be left with anyone.

I don't think anyone is arguing you sign Schultz to a top pairing deal (although 4.7 is not really top pairing in this day and age, but I don't think Schultz should get that either). Just that you shouldn't leap to trade the guy away the instant contract negotiations start.

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06-08-2014, 02:05 PM
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I don't think anyone is arguing you sign Schultz to a top pairing deal (although 4.7 is not really top pairing in this day and age, but I don't think Schultz should get that either). Just that you shouldn't leap to trade the guy away the instant contract negotiations start.
Remember his agent said he wouldn't take 4.7M.

Of course MacT should negotiate with the guy. Just sayin' that if his agent truly thinks he's worth more than 4.7M, the guy may be out to lunch.

He hasn't earned a long-term deal and 4.7M is too much even on a short term deal. 3 years with an aav of 12M shouldn't be out of the ball park.

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06-08-2014, 02:10 PM
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How about MacT does some negotiating and does his god damn job. As I said early in the thread. If you traded every player who asked for too much money when their contract came up you wouldn't be left with anyone.

I don't think anyone is arguing you sign Schultz to a top pairing deal (although 4.7 is not really top pairing in this day and age, but I don't think Schultz should get that either). Just that you shouldn't leap to trade the guy away the instant contract negotiations start.
Absolutely. Our fanbase gets way too amped up at times. Contract negotiations are a process, lets not run Schultz out of town before negotiations even start. Dial it back a bit folks, let's try and be a little patient here. I'd be surprised if a bridge contract doesn't happen.

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5 million is not insane if its a long term deal. Still, give him one year to prove he can progress on the defensive end of the game....he has shown glimpses of defensive ability...... and then sign him to a 5-5.5 long term deal next year.

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06-08-2014, 02:31 PM
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I agree with Lettuce. A guy who hasn't shown the ability to defend is not worthy of a long term contract. If He proves he can, all the millions to him.

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Remember his agent said he wouldn't take 4.7M.

Of course MacT should negotiate with the guy. Just sayin' that if his agent truly thinks he's worth more than 4.7M, the guy may be out to lunch.

He hasn't earned a long-term deal and 4.7M is too much even on a short term deal. 3 years with an aav of 12M shouldn't be out of the ball park.
Even if we take that rumour as fact, it's not a sure thing that Schultz thinks he's worth more than that. Maybe Schultz is not interested in signing any long term contract right now, and would prefer a bridge deal to establish himself. I could see that since his time here has been such a roller coaster at this point and he still hasn't adjusted to the team.

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$5 million X 5 years has a nice ring to it... wouldn't doubt that's what the Oilers pony up to keep the last member of their "core" happy.
Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with a deal like this.

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06-08-2014, 03:55 PM
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I agree with Lettuce. A guy who hasn't shown the ability to defend is not worthy of a long term contract. If He proves he can, all the millions to him.
its not just that he hasn't show the ability to defend, it is like he has an AVERSION to playing defence... he is one of the worst defenceman is his own zone we have had on the oilers in the past decade, and that is saying something

schultz is a train wreck in his own zone

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Give him Subban's bridge contract of 2 years worth $5.75 Million.

2014-15 - $2,000,000.00

2015-16 - $3,750,000.00

By then he will probably solidify his position in the Top 3-4 and then wouldn't mind a long term contract in the area of


2016 -2023
8 years at $44 Million


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I think J Schultz would be an appropriate player to give a bridge contract to. He hasn't demonstrated ability to be worth a significant long-term deal, but he does have the potential to get there.

It's not like Subban where they bridged him despite obvious 1st pairing ability - and now are paying for it.

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Do well still have his RFA rights after a 2 year deal? If yes, then yeah I think that's probably the way to go.

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Give him Subban's bridge contract of 2 years worth $5.75 Million.

2014-15 - $2,000,000.00

2015-16 - $3,750,000.00

By then he will probably solidify his position in the Top 3-4 and then wouldn't mind a long term contract in the area of


2016 -2023
8 years at $44 Million
I'd be happy with that. Schultz is precisely the type of player that needs a bridge deal. If his defense rounds out, he's a 40+ point 2/3 dman. If not, he's a 4/5 PP specialist.

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He'll get overpaid on a long term deal book it.

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yuck. That defence looks HORRIBLE next year. Welcome Mr. McDavid!
it does't look that bad if the first pairing of…

XXXX - XXXX

turns into…

Doughty - Weber

Then, it looks pretty good to me.

but when it will realistically turn into…

Orpik - Corvo

signed to matching 5 year - $27.5 million deals, then yeah, HORRIBLE about sums it up.

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Here's the problem. How much was Schultz development hampered by the buffoon Eakins?

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The kid has played a year and half has put up high level offense. His defense developed as the year went on and was beginning to play more steady with huge minutes. I would not give him over 4.75 on a long term deal at this point but if we trade him we better be getting a decent return. He is not a throw in now just because some people are pissy about him...

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6x6.

Kevin Lowe smugly smiles as he proceeds to count the days to cup #7.

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5 million is not insane if its a long term deal. Still, give him one year to prove he can progress on the defensive end of the game....he has shown glimpses of defensive ability...... and then sign him to a 5-5.5 long term deal next year.
If his agent is seriously thinking he gets 1st pairing money or even a long term deal, I'd say he has graphic pictures of someone high in the organization or he just simply believes the Oilers are both desperate enough and foolish enough to do it.

Why are we so ready to give him a big contract? Is it that we don't want to admit to both ourselves and the rest of the league that the winning of his signature a couple years ago wasn't all it was made to be at the time??

If we go on production and growth, he should get a bridge somewhere around $2 million.

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Cant believe many are worried about the money hes going to get. He has the most potential of any of our dmen. Hes our best puck mover by far.

The Oilers caused this problem. They have him playing as a #1 d for the last year, now hes going to wanna get paid for that going forward. If the Oilers did not want this to happen, they should of found a d to take his place.

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