HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

*** 2014 FIFA World Cup ~ Brazil ~ 6/12-7/13 [ESPN] ***

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-24-2014, 09:08 PM
  #576
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 26,539
vCash: 50
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
Instinct is fine, but it should be awarded a red card. Taking the law into your own hands is not something we want to see on the pitch, just like the biting, just to be clear.
He wasn't taking the law into his own hands. He reacted out of self defense, literally while being assaulted. You can't punish a guy for defending himself from an attack on the pitch. It would be one thing if he were bitten, got up, walked over to Suarez and hit him in the face...this was just a pure defensive reaction that was completely justified.

__________________

It's just pain.
nyr2k2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-24-2014, 09:10 PM
  #577
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
 
UAGoalieGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Long Island,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 10,896
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
Instinct is fine, but it should be awarded a red card. Taking the law into your own hands is not something we want to see on the pitch, just like the biting, just to be clear.
No, he shouldn't get a red card. What should he do? Let the guy keep biting and possibly rip some flesh off his shoulder? What Suarez did is assault. If it was witnessed by the ref there was zero percent chance of the Italian player getting carded.

Its not taking the law into your own hands. Its a natural reaction to someone biting down close to your neck. Please.

UAGoalieGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-24-2014, 10:20 PM
  #578
Oak
#1 Hockey Dad
 
Oak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 2,935
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
Would have been 10 vs. 9 because Chiellini should get sent off for that elbow as well.
Lol elbow? Have you not watched one of the 100 replays available now?

Oak is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-24-2014, 11:22 PM
  #579
Rangerfan4life90
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: College Point, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 7,048
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
Instinct is fine, but it should be awarded a red card. Taking the law into your own hands is not something we want to see on the pitch, just like the biting, just to be clear.
Have you even seen what happened?

Rangerfan4life90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 12:15 AM
  #580
nyrpassion
Vetted.
 
nyrpassion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ottawa
Country: United States
Posts: 4,923
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SixGoalieSystem View Post
Every FA is part of FIFA and have to accept punishment of players in their leagues set by FIFA. They have the power to ban him from every tournament hosted my FIFA's membership associations for up to two years.
Correct. But the only tournaments organized by FIFA are the World Cup Qualifiers, World Cup and friendlies.
Champions League is UEFA, and each league's jurisdiction is by their own FA, as it is organized by that FA.

nyrpassion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 12:41 AM
  #581
Kokoschka
Registered User
 
Kokoschka's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Country: Austria
Posts: 3,118
vCash: 500
It's kinda a natural reflex, isn't it. Something bites you in the shoulder, natural reaction is you try to shrug it off. Shoulder moves upward, elbow moves out.

Kokoschka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 01:57 AM
  #582
The Sweetness
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Stockholm
Country: Sweden
Posts: 1,586
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
Would have been 10 vs. 9 because Chiellini should get sent off for that elbow as well.

No. He was protecting himself from someone biting him ffs. I've not read or heard anyone else suggesting a red for Chiellini.

Not only that but the play is being reviewed and there is no chance Chiellini gets disciplined for protecting his body from another man biting him.

Tbh I am impressed at Chiellini's constraint in regards to the situation. I can imagine many players assaulting Suarez if he but them. It's a taboo cowardly act that is universally frowned upon.

The Sweetness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 02:17 AM
  #583
SixGoalieSystem
Registered User
 
SixGoalieSystem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Trondheim
Posts: 3,388
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyrpassion View Post
Correct. But the only tournaments organized by FIFA are the World Cup Qualifiers, World Cup and friendlies.
Champions League is UEFA, and each league's jurisdiction is by their own FA, as it is organized by that FA.
Though FIFA rarely does it, they infact may ban players from "all soccer' (meaning competitons hosted by membership associatons. Including UEFA and the EFA.).

SixGoalieSystem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 05:56 AM
  #584
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 26,539
vCash: 50
Awards:
Regardless of the jurisdictional issue, I'm sure the FA would honor the ban. Even if they weren't technically compelled to do so.

nyr2k2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 06:23 AM
  #585
SixGoalieSystem
Registered User
 
SixGoalieSystem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Trondheim
Posts: 3,388
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Regardless of the jurisdictional issu , I'm sure the FA would honor the ban. Even if they weren't technically compelled to do so.
Probably. It is more likely thay he will be banned from FIFA tournaments only, however.

It does raise interesting questions. Clubs pay to aquire players and they pat their salary. They only get a small compensation from FIFA for the participation of their players.

Suarez is valued at +- $150M and a two year soccer ban would obviously completely ruin Liverpool's investment.

Imagine if McD got into trouble in the Olympics and the IIHF threw the ban hammer on him (The NHL is a private league so they can't, but aside from that it's comparable).

SixGoalieSystem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 06:25 AM
  #586
jniklast
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Germany
Posts: 5,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Regardless of the jurisdictional issue, I'm sure the FA would honor the ban. Even if they weren't technically compelled to do so.
That depends if it's a time ban or the usual amount of matches ban. In the former case I'd agree with you, that the FA likely would honor it, but in the latter it makes no sense, as only international matches would count anyway.

jniklast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 07:33 AM
  #587
Amazing Kreiderman
@StatBoy_Steven
 
Amazing Kreiderman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Netherlands
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 13,627
vCash: 500
I love how everyone is hating Suarez. I am not justifying what he did, but for some reason he makes watching the boring sport much more fun. I kinda like it.

Amazing Kreiderman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 08:37 AM
  #588
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 26,539
vCash: 50
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
I love how everyone is hating Suarez. I am not justifying what he did, but for some reason he makes watching the boring sport much more fun. I kinda like it.
Well, you're posting in a World Cup thread. I think just about everyone else in here would disagree with your characterization of the sport as boring. If you didn't think the sport was boring, you wouldn't need to be amused by ridiculous antics that disrespect opponents and the game itself. I mean, biting a guy is physical assault. And not in the way that fighting in hockey, or boxing, or tackling in football is assault...those are sanctioned activities within the rules of the game. Biting is just barbaric.

You're entitled to your opinions, obviously. I'm not telling you that your opinions are wrong. I just vehemently, vehemently disagree.

nyr2k2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 08:37 AM
  #589
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 26,539
vCash: 50
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jniklast View Post
That depends if it's a time ban or the usual amount of matches ban. In the former case I'd agree with you, that the FA likely would honor it, but in the latter it makes no sense, as only international matches would count anyway.
Good points, I agree.

nyr2k2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 08:44 AM
  #590
Amazing Kreiderman
@StatBoy_Steven
 
Amazing Kreiderman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Netherlands
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 13,627
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Well, you're posting in a World Cup thread. I think just about everyone else in here would disagree with your characterization of the sport as boring. If you didn't think the sport was boring, you wouldn't need to be amused by ridiculous antics that disrespect opponents and the game itself. I mean, biting a guy is physical assault. And not in the way that fighting in hockey, or boxing, or tackling in football is assault...those are sanctioned activities within the rules of the game. Biting is just barbaric.

You're entitled to your opinions, obviously. I'm not telling you that your opinions are wrong. I just vehemently, vehemently disagree.
I've loved football for years, but it's just not as exciting as hockey and rugby to be honest. That's all I'm saying

Amazing Kreiderman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 08:48 AM
  #591
AHB*
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 5,136
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SixGoalieSystem View Post
Probably. It is more likely thay he will be banned from FIFA tournaments only, however.

It does raise interesting questions. Clubs pay to aquire players and they pat their salary. They only get a small compensation from FIFA for the participation of their players.

Suarez is valued at +- $150M and a two year soccer ban would obviously completely ruin Liverpool's investment.

Imagine if McD got into trouble in the Olympics and the IIHF threw the ban hammer on him (The NHL is a private league so they can't, but aside from that it's comparable).
I'm pretty sure even if FIFA tried to ban him from ALL play that Suarez would get a lawyer and fight that to the death. Something that happens in international play generally doesn't have an impact on playing for club teams. Same goes for play for the club teams, vs international play. I think that would be a nasty road that FIFA probably would avoid.

Obviously, he deserves some sort of lengthy suspension here and I'd prefer to see him not be allowed back on the pitch for Liverpool or wherever he ends up, immediately. That being said, I get the feeling the only way that's going to happen is if his next club team, whoever that may be, imposes their own personal suspension on him for his acts.

I will say this, Suarez was probably going to end up on Real or Barca but I'm not so sure that's a given at this point. Liverpool might just be "stuck" with him now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
I love how everyone is hating Suarez. I am not justifying what he did, but for some reason he makes watching the boring sport much more fun. I kinda like it.
Soccer is one of the least boring sports on the planet. It's easily my #2 to hockey. The fact that you think it is boring shows how little you comprehend what actually occurs on the pitch. And for the record, I wasn't raised on soccer and I'm a full blown American, so this is coming from a guy who literally has no bias. In fact, my dad laughs at me because I like it, because like you, he's never had an open mind and refuses to try and see just how great a sport you're missing.

AHB* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 08:54 AM
  #592
Amazing Kreiderman
@StatBoy_Steven
 
Amazing Kreiderman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Netherlands
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 13,627
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AHB View Post
Soccer is one of the least boring sports on the planet. It's easily my #2 to hockey. The fact that you think it is boring shows how little you comprehend what actually occurs on the pitch. And for the record, I wasn't raised on soccer and I'm a full blown American, so this is coming from a guy who literally has no bias. In fact, my dad laughs at me because I like it, because like you, he's never had an open mind and refuses to try and see just how great a sport you're missing.
International games and Champions' League is not boring. However, when you grow up in a country crazy about this sport where you see this **** every freaking day, and also on lower levels, it gets a bit boring.

It's like growing up watching 5 competitions of ECHL-calibre hockey almost every day. I love the World Cup, but here in Europe there is too much focus on the sport.

Amazing Kreiderman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 09:10 AM
  #593
Wolfy*
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 4,605
vCash: 500
Suarez obviously has some serious mental issues. Experts say something unusual probably happened to him as a child.

Sorry dude, but you have to be banned from all Fifa games.

Wolfy* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 09:28 AM
  #594
Crease
Registered User
 
Crease's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 10,331
vCash: 500
Suspended 7 matches for biting in 2010.
Suspended 10 matches for biting in 2013.
And now this. A third time. On soccer's biggest stage.

FIFA is going to do one of two things. Come down on him very, very hard. Or not at all, saying the evidence is inconclusive (LOL).

Crease is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 09:40 AM
  #595
AHB*
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 5,136
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
International games and Champions' League is not boring. However, when you grow up in a country crazy about this sport where you see this **** every freaking day, and also on lower levels, it gets a bit boring.

It's like growing up watching 5 competitions of ECHL-calibre hockey almost every day. I love the World Cup, but here in Europe there is too much focus on the sport.
Well, can't say i understand what it's like, since Soccer is literally thought about in the USA every four years. Although being in NYC, it's easier to find like-minded people. I really mostly only watch the EPL and champions league. I have a subscription to bein, which allows me to catch a lot of other games as well in Serie A, League Cup, La Liga, etc. But those two are where I focus my attention.

MLS just isn't there yet and I"m not a real fan of retirement leagues, which I think it really still is, hence the likely forthcoming signing of Lampard.

AHB* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 09:40 AM
  #596
Staxgod90
New Season New Dream
 
Staxgod90's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Westchester,NY
Country: Italy
Posts: 2,492
vCash: 500
Send a message via Skype™ to Staxgod90
Argentina better pull themselves together today, really don't want to face France next round

Staxgod90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 09:50 AM
  #597
SixGoalieSystem
Registered User
 
SixGoalieSystem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Trondheim
Posts: 3,388
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by AHB View Post
I'm pretty sure even if FIFA tried to ban him from ALL play that Suarez would get a lawyer and fight that to the death. Something that happens in international play generally doesn't have an impact on playing for club teams. Same goes for play for the club teams, vs international play. I think that would be a nasty road that FIFA probably would avoid.

Obviously, he deserves some sort of lengthy suspension here and I'd prefer to see him not be allowed back on the pitch for Liverpool or wherever he ends up, immediately. That being said, I get the feeling the only way that's going to happen is if his next club team, whoever that may be, imposes their own personal suspension on him for his acts.
.
He would probably take it all the way to CAS (Sports arbitration court in Lusanne, Sui). He would also probably lose.

FIFA's bylaws (which are determined by the membership association) are pretty clear. FIFA may suspend players from the sport if they do something to damage the reputation of Soccer. I'd say three biting incidents is up there.

Now I agree they should limit this to
International games only. Just sad that such a great player is such a crybaby, victim playing, biting rat. It's like Crosby times a million.

SixGoalieSystem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 10:04 AM
  #598
Antithesis
Member Todd White?
 
Antithesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 20,599
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
I love how everyone is hating Suarez. I am not justifying what he did, but for some reason he makes watching the boring sport much more fun. I kinda like it.
I watched one baseball game this past year. 26 commercial breaks, almost four hours long, and the ball was in the field of play for a total of 71 seconds the whole game.

Antithesis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 10:20 AM
  #599
SixGoalieSystem
Registered User
 
SixGoalieSystem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Trondheim
Posts: 3,388
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazing Kreiderman View Post
I love how everyone is hating Suarez. I am not justifying what he did, but for some reason he makes watching the boring sport much more fun. I kinda like it.
Some controversial players make (made) the sport more interesting. Your Maradona's, Marco Materazzi's and Cantona's.

Then you have your Busquets', Pepe's and your Suarez'. Quality players who disgrace the game by their demeanor and dives.

SixGoalieSystem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2014, 10:24 AM
  #600
Amazing Kreiderman
@StatBoy_Steven
 
Amazing Kreiderman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Netherlands
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 13,627
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SixGoalieSystem View Post
Some controversial players make (made) the sport more interesting. Your Maradona's, Marco Materazzi's and Cantona's.

Then you have your Busquets', Pepe's and your Suarez'. Quality players who disgrace the game by their demeanor and dives.
So biting a player is a disgrace, but kicking a fan into the hospital is just a controversy?

Amazing Kreiderman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:02 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.