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06-09-2014, 04:19 PM
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So, I guess there needs to be inheritance laws then, where people can't inherit weapons from anyone. Then you make the new law now that starting day, in this moment, anyone not having a valid license of a gun(s) they already own there is now a law that no one can legally obtain a gun, unless in the use of law enforcement or the military. It'll take a 60 or 70 years, but eventually no one will have the right to own a gun.
As long as you have lobbyist in Washington, you'll never see that ever happen.

And personally, I wouldn't want that to happen.

People get outraged for a day or two, then it's back to life as normal, except for the ones affected by the incident.

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Hypothetical: If the second amendment was validly repealed, would you surrender your guns now that you had no right to keep them?
I would, if they became banned and not a privilege.

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06-09-2014, 04:24 PM
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014...killing-spree/

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Sheree Burns, 48, said she left church early, lured by the all-you-can-eat pizza for $5.55 at CiCi’s. She said she was seated just behind the two officers, who already were eating.

A man came up to one of the officers — a balding man — and shot him in the head, Burns said. Instinctively, Burns ducked under her table but peeked up to see who she thought was a woman shoot the other officer in the head.

Burns said she saw the male assailant — whom she described as tall with scruff on his face — hovering over the balding officer and remove his handgun from his holster. The two assailants then left CiCi’s, en route to the Wal-Mart, Burns learned after talking to police.

“I’ll never leave church early again,” Burns said.
Two things.

I hope this lady doesn't actually feel guilty for causing this, because she skipped out on church to hit up the $5.55 pizza buffet.

Why did they need to go to such lengths to talk about the cop balding? Seems like a pretty irrelevant detail.

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06-09-2014, 04:26 PM
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"I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. I really don't want violence toward them, but if they're gonna come bring violence to us, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it."

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Except these 2 weren't victim of violence

Seeking a clash at Bundy ranch and then murdering 2 cops having lunch at CiCi's is not having violence brought to them

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06-09-2014, 04:28 PM
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Hypothetical: If the second amendment was validly repealed, would you surrender your guns now that you had no right to keep them?

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06-09-2014, 04:33 PM
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Except these 2 weren't victim of violence

Seeking a clash at Bundy ranch and then murdering 2 cops having lunch at CiCi's is not having violence brought to them

Nice try
But the violent response that they believe they need to inflict from some perceived scenario where their freedoms, especially freedom to own guns, is under attack by the government through some gun take back policy seems to echo what you've said on occasion. What did you say about how you'd respond if police officers came to take your guns from you?

Granted, you're not looking to go out there and shoot people because of your desire to keep your guns, but you wouldn't be remorseful if you had to shoot someone in order to though, right?

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06-09-2014, 04:34 PM
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I would not surrender my weapons

Its one of the basic rights of US citizen ,, Any repeal would be violation of my rights and rights of every other US citizen

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Granted, you're not looking to go out there and shoot people because of your desire to keep your guns, but you wouldn't be remorseful if you had to shoot someone in order to though, right?
It would be tragic but if federal law forces way into my house to take my guns they would receive the appropriate response

US will never go down that road though ,, Repelling 2nd amendment would spark a 2nd civil war

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Who gave you the right to own guns?

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I would not surrender my weapons

Its one of the basic rights of US citizen ,, Any repeal would be violation of my rights and rights of every other US citizen
What makes it a basic right of US citizens, and how would a democratically approved repeal violate anyone's rights?

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It would be tragic but if federal law forces way into my house to take my guns they would receive the appropriate response

US will never go down that road though ,, Repelling 2nd amendment would spark a 2nd civil war
You know what they say about making omelettes

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I would not surrender my weapons

Its one of the basic rights of US citizen ,, Any repeal would be violation of my rights and rights of every other US citizen



It would be tragic but if federal law forces way into my house to take my guns they would receive the appropriate response

US will never go down that road though ,, Repelling 2nd amendment would spark a 2nd civil war
Is killing a human being over some material possession appropriate?

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over your guns? Or just support them vocally?

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06-09-2014, 04:41 PM
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A second civil war. Good one.

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Is killing a human being over some material possession appropriate?

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over your guns? Or just support them vocally?
Is killing a human being to protect you rights appropriate? Yes

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over rights? If it happened I would have no recourse but to take part

This is all a pointless discussion as the 2nd Amendment is never going away

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Is killing a human being to protect you rights appropriate? Yes

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over rights? If it happened I would have no recourse but to take part
Again, what makes it a right and how would a democratic process to remove that right violate your rights?

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Is killing a human being to protect you rights appropriate? Yes

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over rights? If it happened I would have no recourse but to take part

This is all a pointless discussion as the 2nd Amendment is never going away


Have fun playing war in fantasyland.

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Again, what makes it a right and how would a democratic process to remove that right violate your rights?
The repealing of an essential amendment of Bill of Rights and overturning Supreme Court are hardly a valid democratic process

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Is killing a human being to protect you rights appropriate? Yes

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over rights? If it happened I would have no recourse but to take part

This is all a pointless discussion as the 2nd Amendment is never going away
You never answered who gave you that right. I just can't see how the government can grant you that right but can't take it away. How is one legitimate and one illegitimate?

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Have fun playing war in fantasyland.
There will never be a war

2nd amendment is not going away

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The repealing of an essential amendment of Bill of Rights and overturning Supreme Court are hardly a valid democratic process
It can be, the Constitution is not set in stone it's just a pita to change

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There will never be a war

2nd amendment is not going away
We're asking what if it did man, stop being obtuse.

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The repealing of an essential amendment of Bill of Rights and overturning Supreme Court are hardly a valid democratic process
You realize that the amendment process is literally to change (to amend) the constitution, right? If an amendment passed through the democratic process to repeal the 2nd amendment, there would be no constitutional right to bear arms.

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We're asking what if it did man, stop being obtuse.
Laying out an impossible scenario isn't worth much discussion

But since you want this type of scenario if a amendment was put forth and passed that made it against law for people to have more then one child in US would you support it? Its law

You would report anyone who violates it including your family correct?

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I would not surrender my weapons

Its one of the basic rights of US citizen ,, Any repeal would be violation of my rights and rights of every other US citizen
Uh, no. It wouldn't. You either misread my question or don't understand the Constitution.

If the second was legally repealed, you would be ******** on the Constitution.

If the second was repealed, it would be impossible to be a "violation of [your] rights." Period. You can't violate a right that doesn't exist.

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Is killing a human being to protect you rights appropriate? Yes

And would you kill your fellow citizens in a national civil war over rights? If it happened I would have no recourse but to take part
Interesting. Would you kill someone who impinges your right to free speech or the right to assemble peacefully?

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The repealing of an essential amendment of Bill of Rights and overturning Supreme Court are hardly a valid democratic process
Repealing the second legally would be the exact definition of "a valid democratic process."

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Laying out an impossible scenario isn't worth much discussion

But since you want this type of scenario if a amendment was put forth and passed that made it against law for people to have more then one child in US would you support it? Its law

You would report anyone who violates it including your family correct?

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