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09-03-2005, 08:14 AM
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TBN:McKee could be next to leave

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This is BS. I can't believe Mckee still wants to play here.

IMO, it will be a big loss to this team if we trade him for a 3rd rounder. I guarantee which ever team he plays for is gonna be darn happy with this guy's play.

This is not good news.

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I find this paragraph particularly interesting...

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McKee felt even more snubbed when his qualifying offer was a two-way contract, meaning if for some reason he got sent to the minors he wouldn't make his NHL salary.
If any of you remember...Rhett Warrener was offered a two-way contract a few weeks before he was traded to Calgary. To me, this is the definitive indictator that McKee's days here are numbered. He just doesn't fit into their plans. I appreciate all of the nice things he's said about the community and the team in general, but I for one certainly won't miss him as a player. McKee hasn't been the same since the Lemieux incident, and if the NHL is serious about cracking down on obstruction, he won't be nearly as effective. Writing on the wall...Indeed.

It'll be interesting to see what Darcy gets in return. He's gone on record as saying the team needs more toughness up-front. I'd personally like to see him dump one of the goaltenders along with McKee for another D-man (Or a bonefide no. 1 goaltender, which is a stretch). Hopefully Darcy doesn't dump him for a draft pick.

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McKee, like Peca and Barnaby, married a local girl. He's comfortable here and given that they have a recent addition to the family, I can see why he's interested in staying near his wife's family.

I find it ironic that we, as fans, want players who want to be here and can talk up reasons why this would be a good place to play... And when someone says he wishes to stay, we find reasons why he wouldn't be a good fit. This is exactly the sort of thing the editorial about the Sabres shabby treatment of players was talking about. Whereever he lands, I can't imagine anyone on that team thinking "hey, I want to go there... they did Jay such a good turn...."

I wish Jay well. I've followed him a long time, from his days in the OHL, particularly with the Thunder. If that means here or in another city, so be it.

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Hopefully Darcy doesn't dump him for a draft pick.
That's what I'm worried about...

Mckee will help us a lot more than a 3rd round pick will.

If we can package Mckee with Noronen and a draft pick to get a guy like Redden, Morris or Vaananen then I'm all for it. But if we're going to simply give him away, I will be very dissapointed.

Personally I don't think Regier will move Mckee unless he feels he can improve the team NOW.

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09-03-2005, 09:42 AM
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I really dont care if he goes, as long as another Defensamn is brought back in after.

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I'm a big fan of McKee's, and I think that Regier would be plain stupid to get rid of him at this point. Lock him up for 3 years at a reasonable rate, let him prove himself this season. He's not going to get a good return on him. He's probably the only physical player on the blueline and has had a year off to get over nagging injuries. If Buffalo trades McKee, they had better get a damn good return. A top 4 at minimum.

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I'm a big fan of McKee's, and I think that Regier would be plain stupid to get rid of him at this point. Lock him up for 3 years at a reasonable rate, let him prove himself this season. He's not going to get a good return on him. He's probably the only physical player on the blueline and has had a year off to get over nagging injuries. If Buffalo trades McKee, they had better get a damn good return. A top 4 at minimum.
I think locking McKee up right now would be too big of a gamble.

It is far from a guarantee that McKee will be an effective player under the new rules and if he can stay healthy.

I wouldn't want to lock up a player with so many questions.

I'd rather that they move him or merely sign him for one year and ride him out in a contract year.

Honestly, I don't believe McKee is THAT good. His past is likely a lot brighter than his future is. And just like I missed more of what Peca had brought to the Sabres than really what he's been bringing to the table with the Isles, I have a feeling that McKee wil likely ending up being a similiar story.

Just like Brad Brown looked a lot like a former Sabres defenseman that wore the #4...............

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The Sabres on Thursday extended the expiration date for McKee's one-year qualifying offer of about $1.6 million. It's believed the Sabres pushed the deadline back eight days to give them more time to trade.
Maybe that's what's believed at TBN, but the only logical reason for extending the QO was to allow more time to work out a long term deal. It would be easier to deal McKee if the QO were off the table so a team that dealt for him could force him to sign a multiyear contract. By leaving the QO on the table, McKee has another 8 days to sign a 1 year deal and become an UFA next year.

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Had the Sabres not extended the deadline McKee would have accepted his qualifier, and because the NHL collective bargaining agreement forbids teams from renegotiating one-year contracts until Jan. 1, potential trade partners would be less interested. As long as his qualifying offer is unsigned, the Sabres may trade McKee's rights and let the other team sign him to whatever terms it desires.
If McKee wants to stay why doesn't he just sign his qualifying offer and make it more difficult to trade him? TBN makes it sound like Jan 1st is in the distant future. It's only a few months away. If McKee signs the qualifying offer and shows the Sabres their fears are unfounded he can get an extension done then, or even re-sign as an UFA next summer. McKee is forcing the issue by not signing the qualifier.

It appears McKee may only wants a multi-year deal at his asking price. In a previous TBN article on the McKee negotiations, there was speculation that McKee's side was using Rhett Warrener as a comparable. The deal Warrener just signed is for $9.4 million over 4 years. If McKee wants $2+ million a year, he's pushing himself out the door. Unfortunately we have no firm idea what McKee is asking for since TBN omitted this essential point in the article. I can't form an opinion on which side is right without that fact.

The only conclusion I can draw for certain is that TBN has become decidely anti-Sabres in its recent coverage. They take what should be viewed as a positive step by the Sabres in extending the QO and use convoluted logic to turn it into a negative. And they don't even bother to report how much money McKee is seeking in a long term deal so we only know one side of the story.

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Maybe that's what's believed at TBN, but the only logical reason for extending the QO was to allow more time to work out a long term deal. It would be easier to deal McKee if the QO were off the table so a team that dealt for him could force him to sign a multiyear contract. By leaving the QO on the table, McKee has another 8 days to sign a 1 year deal and become an UFA next year.
True, but I think if the Sabres did not extend the QO, McKee would have signed it Thursday and have less trade value. I honestly don't know what they're going to do. I don't believe this crap that he's not going to work well with the rule changes. He may not be the smoothest skater or have the best vision, but I know I don't want my defense to be made of purely offensive, soft, small d-men. I think McKee works well in this defense, actually. Especially since he wants to be here. I would lock him up for 3 years or at least have an agreement to start negotiating Jan 1st if Darcy wants wait it out to see if he fits with this defense and the team.

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I think this is a much better team With Mckee, then without him. If Mckee is Traded. I think they will need to add another D-man, to Compete for a playoff spot.

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I would lock him up for 3 years or at least have an agreement to start negotiating Jan 1st if Darcy wants wait it out to see if he fits with this defense and the team.
How much would you pay to sign now for 3 years? What's he asking for? What have the Sabres offered? We don't know the answer to the last 2 questions, but I'd be interested to see what other Sabres fans feel McKee is worth. On a 3 year deal, I'd go as high as $5 million. I think he'd primarily be a 3rd pair dman, but would still see 16-17 mins per game ice time due to his penalty killing and would get some time on the 2nd pairing.

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I think 3 years/5 million is a fair offer. Although that wouldn't be my final offer, I'd go up to 5.5 if I had to.

What needs to be mentioned here is that although he might be a "3rd pairing" guy, his PK abilities make him just as important as just about any defenseman on the team. If he was a 3rd pairing guy playing 12-14 mins per game, it would be a different story. There is no doubt that with our current core of defense, Mckee plays on the #1 PK unit.

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How much would you pay to sign now for 3 years? What's he asking for? What have the Sabres offered? We don't know the answer to the last 2 questions, but I'd be interested to see what other Sabres fans feel McKee is worth. On a 3 year deal, I'd go as high as $5 million. I think he'd primarily be a 3rd pair dman, but would still see 16-17 mins per game ice time due to his penalty killing and would get some time on the 2nd pairing.


To me I'm not thinking long term. I'm thinking Both parties do the Q.O. make the best of this year.

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I "wore" the 74 in his honor too...

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Guys, if Mckee is dealt what would you expect in return for him? As much as I would love him on the Bruins (he would be a great fit) I know they would never trade within the division. Do you expect players, prospects or picks in return?

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i don't think the loss of McKee will be as big as some of you guys think. right now, he IS overpaid. he is past his best, and i have worries about him, IF the NHL cracks down on obstructions. i wouldn't offer him a long term deal, at the money he's asking.

having said that, i'd only move him if we could get another physical presence in here on the blueline to take his place. i think a one year deal with Jay is really the best for both parties. then we can see where the land lies after that.

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How much would you pay to sign now for 3 years? What's he asking for? What have the Sabres offered? We don't know the answer to the last 2 questions, but I'd be interested to see what other Sabres fans feel McKee is worth. On a 3 year deal, I'd go as high as $5 million. I think he'd primarily be a 3rd pair dman, but would still see 16-17 mins per game ice time due to his penalty killing and would get some time on the 2nd pairing.
I'd say 3 years, $5 - $5.5 million. McKee is probably asking for $6 million over 3 years.

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Guys, if Mckee is dealt what would you expect in return for him? As much as I would love him on the Bruins (he would be a great fit) I know they would never trade within the division. Do you expect players, prospects or picks in return?
The going rate for depth defensemen seems to be something in the neighborhood of a third round pick.

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The going rate for depth defensemen seems to be something in the neighborhood of a third round pick.
Theres another thing that comes into play though too, we dont have to deal Mckee. I think this leaves Regier in a better position cause he can get good value for him, guys like Lydman, Commodore, Mcarthy, Markov, etc. were dealt cause their respective teams were in cap trouble or had to many players at that position. On this team Mckee is in the top 4 easily, so I think he has better value than the guys I mentioned above...

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Theres another thing that comes into play though too, we dont have to deal Mckee. I think this leaves Regier in a better position cause he can get good value for him, guys like Lydman, Commodore, Mcarthy, Markov, etc. were dealt cause their respective teams were in cap trouble or had to many players at that position. On this team Mckee is in the top 4 easily, so I think he has better value than the guys I mentioned above...
Buffalo has 8 defensemen right now:

Kalinin, Lydman, Numminen, Tallinder, McKee, Jillson, Fitzpatrick, Campbell... Patrick may be coming to camp and there is always the off chance that Paetsch or Janik impress. They have too many defensemen. Someone is going somewhere (even if it's only a waiver exposure and shipment to Rochester).

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On this team Mckee is in the top 4 easily, so I think he has better value than the guys I mentioned above...
I think it's too early to tell where he's at on the depth chart. Too much is up in the air.

With the current roster (plus our unsigned UFAs) as we left them and if the game is as we left it in '04, I think it's: Kalinin, Numminen, McKee, Lydman, Tallinder, Patrick, Fitzpatrick, Brown, Jillson, Campbell, Janik, Paetsch.

Allowing for older players to fade, it's: Kalinin, McKee, Numminen, Lydman, Tallinder, Fitzpatrick, Brown, Jillson, Patrick, Campbell, Janik, Paetsch. Numminen and Patrick drop.

Allowing for younger players to blossom, it's: Kalinin, Lydman, McKee, Tallinder, Numminen, Fitzpatrick, Jillson, Campbell, Brown, Patrick, Janik, Paetsch. Lydman, Tallinder, Jillson and Campbell climb.

If the new rules truly make as big a splash as they are projected to, it's: Kalinin, Numminen, Lydman, Tallinder, McKee, Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Jillson, Brown, Patrick, Janik, Paetsch. Numminen climbs back up, McKee's lack of footspeed drops him a slot to 5, Campbell overtakes Jillson.

If it turns out the defense is too soft, Jillson overtakes Campbell again, making Campbell an extra/PP specialist. If Janik or Paetsch climb in camp, Fitzpatrick might be gone. If we sign Brown for much cheaper than we can get McKee, McKee is out. Presumably, Patrick will go unsigned until December, and can be an injury fill-in, making Fitzpatrick expendable.

My projection as of this moment is:
(1)Kalinin - (3)Lydman
(4)Tallinder - (2)Numminen
(5)McKee/Brown - (6)Jillson
(7)Campbell

First pair is our most solid pairing: we all know Kalinin is Our Guy, and I think Lydman would make a good reliable partner. I suspect they will gel beautifully.

Second pairing gives Tallinder a true mentor, who I think will grow his game. Next year or the year after, Numminen gives way to Jillson/Campbell/UFA.

Third pairing is our smashmouth pair. I'm more comfortable with McKee than Brown in terms of defensive responsibility, but it's a toss-up: I'm happier with Brown in terms of energy and physicality. I see Jillson developing better paired with McKee, so he's got the edge as far as I'm concerned.

Campbell will continue to get every opportunity from the Sabres to develop. If he did manage to grow as much as we've been hearing, he might even supplant Tallinder. I am skeptical.

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signaliinoise, Brown is still an UFA and Buffalo hasnt spoken to him at all, in fact he is rumored to be negotiating with Toronto right now. Other than that though I agree with you that it is still to early to determine anything yet, maybe if Mckee is traded then it wont be till camp is going on...

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Seems like a big mess to me. If the Sabres can get a better D-Man and get rid of a goalie, I'd be all for moving Jay. But if we can only get a 3rd round draft pick, why don't we just let him sign the QU?

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I "wore" the 74 in his honor too...
just a jersey? I moved into my apartment (number 74) out of honor to Jay, imagine how I feel?


(well, or it just turned out to be the same. can't remember which case is correct.)

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