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View Poll Results: Which center would you prefer the Blues to acquire?
Ryan Kesler 7 12.50%
Mike Richards 7 12.50%
David Legwand 1 1.79%
Patrick Marleau 3 5.36%
Brad Richards 2 3.57%
Nazem Kadri 14 25.00%
Mikhail Grabovski 12 21.43%
Tomas Plekanec 10 17.86%
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06-15-2014, 04:44 PM
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I was one of the firsts to support a move for Pleks years ago when no one knew much about him and that's why no one supported it in the beginning. Both Schwartz and Tarasenko are good playmakers with great vision. They don't have to have a playmaker to be successful. If they didn't have that ability, then Kesler would be a horrible fit for them, but Kesler's speed and shot will make the line dangerous. Kelser is strong on the puck, and that line would dominate in possession. Kesler's attributes definitely compliment Schwartz and Tarasenko.

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I was one of the firsts to support a move for Pleks years ago when no one knew much about him and that's why no one supported it in the beginning. Both Schwartz and Tarasenko are good playmakers with great vision. They don't have to have a playmaker to be successful. If they didn't have that ability, then Kesler would be a horrible fit for them, but Kesler's speed and shot will make the line dangerous. Kelser is strong on the puck, and that line would dominate in possession. Kesler's attributes definitely compliment Schwartz and Tarasenko.
Look man were not looking for the best individuals, Kelser by himself is a better overall player then Plekanec, slightly. But understand this, Plekanec's style fits the center we need better then Kesler. I've seen Berglund center Tarasenko and Schwartz enough to know that the line will be more dominant if we had a center iceman that know how to distribute the puck. Defensively Kesler is better, but how good of defense do we really need. I look at it like this. How many more plays can Kesler make defensively that Plekanec won't be there to make? and then how many plays will we see from Plekanec offensively then Kesler. Kesler is fast but offensively he does things that not only limit himself, but his teammates as well. Plekanec is a better distributor of the puck, he is also more creative which is something that is only evident by watching both play.

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Explain to me how this is a strawman? I used it to support the notion that you have no clue how to evaluate a player. Smarten up. Lol at you putting Kesler above Plekanec, it truly shows how little you watch these players, but please keep talking like you do genius.
Most people would agree that Ryan Kesler is the better player, so you're not smart.

Also Stewart has nothing to do with this, the fact you always bring him up just shows how badly you're struggling to find an argument.

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You can't really use Berglund as an example of why Kesler wouldn't work. Berglund performed well with Schwartz and Tarasenko, but he doesn't have the speed to keep up with them. Kesler is easily when of the better skating centers in the league, a completely different scenario from Berglund.

Schwartz and Tarasenko also don't need distributor. They don't need any specific style type, they just need someone that is on their talent level, regardless of style. Schwartz and Tarasenko play the style that anyone can fit with. Both can be gritty and get pucks out of the corners, both have the shot to finish what a playmaker gives them, and both have the vision to make the passes for a shooting center. We just need to acquire the best possible center for them.

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06-15-2014, 07:12 PM
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People are taking the Kesler idea way too seriously anyways.

Obviously I target Stastny, Spezza, Thornton, Staal, Pavelski first for some legit offensive ability in the middle.

But if we strike out on all those guys, then you need to go with the best available center which would be Kesler. Because yeah like the post above me says, at that point we just need that type of high talent level regardless of playing style.

Keep in mind I don't expect it to come to that.

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Kadri wins.
If the Blues got Kadri, I'd be very disappointed. He's not the answer to improving the post-season outlook at all.

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If the Blues got Kadri, I'd be very disappointed. He's not the answer to improving the post-season outlook at all.
Agreed. He'd help us maintain this level long-term, but he won't get us to the next level, unless he brings his game to another level, which I guess is possible.

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At this point Kardi. Either Stastny, Spezza, Stall, Pavelski, Thorton or Kardi. Anyone else imo makes no difference, and is just a waste of money.
At this point, we should evaluate players on the Hawks/Kings/Bruins model. Look at available FAs and decide if you think a certain one would be on one of those teams. In other words, would that player be influential on a Cup-caliber team? We should stop thinking about who can pot 60 points in the regular season. No one cares anymore. Nowadays it's Cup or bust.

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Our cheap goalie did fine last year.

As for Colorado, I disagree, they couldn't get past Minnesota and bryzgalov with the firepower they had. They've got a ways to go still.
Anyone who thinks Elliott will lead this jinxed franchise to a cup is delusional. And you obviously didn't read that once the AV's add a shutdown defender they will be more talented then the Blues.


C'mon draft get here already so the real wheeling and dealings starts, 11 days from now.

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Anyone who thinks Elliott will lead this jinxed franchise to a cup is delusional. And you obviously didn't read that once the AV's add a shutdown defender they will be more talented then the Blues.


C'mon draft get here already so the real wheeling and dealings starts, 11 days from now.
Except they really won't, because our defense would still be a lot better than theirs. And if they lose Stastny that will help us even more. Yeah they have two future star centers in Duchene and MacKinnon but right now the Blues are still the better team.

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And Schwartz and Tarasenko don't need distributors. They both have great vision and passing ability, and are strong enough on the puck to get it from the corner and take it into dangerous areas. Neither of them is a winger like Neal or Stewart that relies on someone else getting them the puck.

Berglund just isn't a good enough player to play with them and that's why he didn't work, it wasn't because of his play style. Berglund didn't add anything to the line because he doesn't have anything to add, he's a solid complementary piece that doesn't mess anything, but doesn't really add anything of significance.

That would be like putting Sobotka or Roy on the top line and saying that line wouldn't need a distributor because they weren't productive there.


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Tomas Plekanec is the second coming, guys. Better offer up Schwartz and Tarasenko for him right now. He'll turn Reaves into a 40-goal scorer, it won't even matter.


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Tomas Plekanec is the second coming, guys. Better offer up Schwartz and Tarasenko for him right now. He'll turn Reaves into a 40-goal scorer, it won't even matter.
this guy gets it.

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Havn't followed much post-season "trade talk" previously, so when do you guys think something will start happening? Before trainingcamp or closer up to the season start? Impatient allready...Desperatly hooping for a 1st center, push backes to 2nd line with jayden and steen. Have Osh and Tarasenko with a .. Spezza? Not as creative as other alternatives, but i still fancy Eric Staal. What you guyes think of him, someone we could afford?

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At the draft

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Havn't followed much post-season "trade talk" previously, so when do you guys think something will start happening? Before trainingcamp or closer up to the season start? Impatient allready...Desperatly hooping for a 1st center, push backes to 2nd line with jayden and steen. Have Osh and Tarasenko with a .. Spezza? Not as creative as other alternatives, but i still fancy Eric Staal. What you guyes think of him, someone we could afford?
Trading will start at the draft, maybe a few days before hand. GMs want to get the deal done before the draft so that any picks traded can be used immediately. The draft is the 27th, in 10 days. Blues can talk to Stasny on the 25th. So they won't make a move until they can talk to him. A move might happen the day before the draft, but not much before that. After that, the next round of moves probably won't happen until a few days after free agency. So the draft will bring some mores on the 27th, then it will be quiet until free agency, then when teams miss out on the first round of FAs on July 1 there will be a few more trades to fill out rosters after that.

Backes won't be pushed back. The entire Steen-Backes-Oshie line will drop to second line shut down duties while Tarasenko, Schwartz and the new center will get top scoring line duties. With our focus on defense, the SOB line will get good minutes. Probably similar minutes to the top line.

As for Staal, he is a secondary choice for most. His contract is expensive, more than $9 million for the next two years. We are also not sure how much it would cost asset wise to acquire. He is definitely a top end player, but some are concerned about his down season this past year. He also is more of a shoot first player, which turns me off, but others are fine with that. Biggest issue is definitely he cost.

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