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Vincent Lecavalier in play/Has NMC

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06-11-2014, 08:20 PM
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vinny + 2015 2nd round pick for stalberg + 2014 3rd round pick

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06-11-2014, 08:23 PM
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We don't have a 2nd or 3rd next season.

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of course Philly gives long contracts and than trades them off lol.. why do players still wanna go play in that city?
Players like a team that almost always goes to the playoffs, spends to the cap and has a history of finding roles in the organization for former players. And if they are worried about being traded they can ask for an NMC/NTC.

Sorry the best UFA you could attract in Toronto was the untradeable, 11 point man.

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06-11-2014, 08:25 PM
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vinny + 2015 2nd round pick for stalberg + 2014 3rd round pick
Philly should take this. Its the best they'll get.

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06-11-2014, 08:36 PM
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Vincent Lecavalier


David Clarkson
Lol...Vinny had 37 points, gets paid less, and shorter contract
Clarkson had 11 points...lol.

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I think you got to eat close to half his contract cause of the four years. Too often injured every year he gets worse.

Now chicago? I could see it. Tampa you eat contract? I could see it for sentimental reasons. Detroit? Love of the old guys lol and big guys? Half contract possibly.

Some others but not many options imho at all.

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It would have to be cap dump for cap dump.

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06-11-2014, 08:42 PM
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True, but that list dropped to about 5 when he said he wanted 5 years and a full NMC.
That changed the interest level
He's a good center, but there won't be a long list of GM's calling Homer, too many fish in the sea this year.
And the Flyers might have to eat some of that contract. Laavy wanted him in Philly and still does, could be the Preds are a possible destination.
Vinnie wanted to play for Lavvy so he shouldn't have a problem if they ask him about that.
Homer's not the GM anymore man, Hextall is.

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It would have to be cap dump for cap dump.
Pretty much.

I could see a Vinny for Stalberg type deal. Or even. Vinny for Versteeg with Philly retaining some money. (Now I will hide while the Blackhawks Mod tears into me)

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It would have to be cap dump for cap dump.
Vinny for b richards with some retained?

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Vinny for b richards with some retained?
Nope...Philly needs a LW.

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06-11-2014, 08:50 PM
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of course Philly gives long contracts and than trades them off lol.. why do players still wanna go play in that city?
Making the playoffs helps

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There won't be much of a market for Lecavalier. He's an old, declining player with 4 yrs at decent money left. His skating and speed which were his strong suits won't be getting any better. He can still control the puck fairly well, but he's not much of an impact forward anymore. Flyers would have to eat money or take a bad contract back.

Both sides appear to have buyers remorse just after one season.

Amazing how bad of a GM Holmgren is.

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Making the playoffs helps
They take the biggest contract on the table and sort out the details later. Some regret that, some don't.

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We should bring back Koivu at the league minimun if you are after sentimental value. At least that wouldn't hurt us from a cap flexibility standpoint. Vinny looks old and slow. Injuries have taken its toll. Its painful to watch him play - he is a shell of his former self. And then you are stuck with him for 4 more years. Thats a bad contract.
Well, his new contract isn't as bad as his last one, at least. I never wanted him in the old scenarios. But for free at $4.5M per, I would give it a try. Not really for sentimental value... more like dark humour.

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Amazing how bad of a GM Holmgren is.
Awful GM that missed the playoffs once and brought the team to the cup finals.

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Pretty much.

I could see a Vinny for Stalberg type deal. Or even. Vinny for Versteeg with Philly retaining some money. (Now I will hide while the Blackhawks Mod tears into me)
Even if the Flyers ate 50% and took Steeger the Hawks would need to pass

4 years at 2.25M cap hit is 4 years too many

Its the 4 extra years for fading Lecavalier that is biggest problem for Flyers


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06-11-2014, 09:00 PM
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Awful GM that missed the playoffs once and brought the team to the cup finals.
And walked away with couturier and voracek from Columbus for carter who they lost, also got simmonds and schenn for Richards who is rumoured to being bought out (and if he's not has a cap hit way to high) yah he's totally a bad gm. Sure he's made questionable moves, but all gms do, he's also done some good **** here.

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06-11-2014, 09:03 PM
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And walked away with couturier and voracek from Columbus for carter who they lost, also got simmonds and schenn for Richards who is rumoured to being bought out (and if he's not has a cap hit way to high) yah he's totally a bad gm. Sure he's made questionable moves, but all gms do, he's also done some good **** here.
He got a pick that became grossmann and a pick that became Cousins in those trades too. But no you can only mention the occasional bad signing or trade. Its not like he gave anything up for Lecavalier.

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Call me crazy but there's a chance Clarkson for Vinny wouldnt even be that bad for Philly. If Toronto retains some salary that is. Vinny is done as a top 6 player and Clarkson cant be that bad (as he was this season), i actually feel like he'd be a pretty good fit in Philly.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Raffl - Couturier - Downie
Rinaldo - Bellemare - Clarkson

Of course if Toronto retains like 2M of Clarkson's salary they actually end up with higher cap hit than before the trade but at least they shorten their most horrible contract by 2 years. And Vinny can be useful player as a bottom 6 C with #2 PP unit time.

But then again not much point in making this trade at all

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Amazing how bad of a GM Holmgren is.
Unlike genius Lou who signed pylons like Volchenkov to huge, long untradeable contracts and screwed his team out of the 10th pick with the Kovalchuk fiasco.

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06-11-2014, 09:20 PM
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Unlike genius Lou who signed pylons like Volchenkov to huge, long untradeable contracts and screwed his team out of the 10th pick with the Kovalchuk fiasco.
That Clowe contract looks just as bad Vinny's too.

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That Clowe contract looks just as bad Vinny's too.
...not even close...

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...not even close...
Same term, similar production, Vinny has a lower cap hit and is more front loaded.

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...not even close...
Uh, they're the same length, same NMC, and Clowe gets paid more. Lecavalier put up better numbers.

Lecavalier's also a leader who has some credibility in the room.

I'd take his contract easily ahead of Clowe's, to be honest. They're both terrible.

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There won't be much of a market for Lecavalier. He's an old, declining player with 4 yrs at decent money left. His skating and speed which were his strong suits won't be getting any better. He can still control the puck fairly well, but he's not much of an impact forward anymore. Flyers would have to eat money or take a bad contract back.

Both sides appear to have buyers remorse just after one season.

Amazing how bad of a GM Holmgren is.
Holmgren was better for Philly than Lou was for NJ during the Holmgren years. You have missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years. And didn't Lou just sign Clowe for 5 years at more money than Vinny? And yet the last 2 years he hasn't even gotten to 44 games played. Worry about your own issues. Signing Schneider would be a good start for you.

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