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06-17-2014, 04:15 PM
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Ray Shero is a perfect fit for the Flyers' front office

http://thehockeywriters.com/ray-sher...-front-office/

He brings experience in regards to trading, drafting, and ultimately building a Stanley Cup winning team. He knows the Flyers inside and out and would be a nice addition under Ron Hextall. What do you think?

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It wouldn't be an awful idea in an assistant role. He was a very good GM at trades.

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As an assistant, sure. Seemed to be good at Dmen, too. Not so good at wingers

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As others have said, wouldn't mind him as an assistant. He seems to be good at finding d men.

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Would he want a role as assistant GM after a good taste of the independence afforded to a GM? Also, he'd get a pay cut.

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Would he want a role as assistant GM after a good taste of the independence afforded to a GM? Also, he'd get a pay cut.
Currently there really are no GM spots available. He wants to still be in management, no question. GMs around the league always get canned so when one does he can offer his services. But in the meantime, he'd do a solid job as Hextall's #2 I think.

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Would he want a role as assistant GM after a good taste of the independence afforded to a GM? Also, he'd get a pay cut.
Well, a paycut is currently an upgrade on his present salary.

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Well, a paycut is currently an upgrade on his present salary.
Not entirely sure how paying fired GMs works, but he may be better off collecting his pay from the Pens instead of taking an AGM role at a reduced rate.

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Not entirely sure how paying fired GMs work, but he may be better off collecting his pay from the Pens instead of taking an AGM role at a reduced rate.
Good point, I don't have any idea how that happens either. No idea how his contract is structured for that scenario.

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Shero didn't build crap. All their core guys were there well before he was hired.

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Just as an FYI, when Shero re-negotiated his contract in, I think 2011, he ended up as one of the highest paid GMs in the sport according to local media (don't have a link, sorry). With two years of severance left, I don't think it's likely he would take an assistant role for what would need to be a fraction of the compensation that's already coming his way over the next 24 months.

I do have a gut feeling he will eventually end up on the Flyers in some capacity, just not that job now.

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All Shero did was figure out how to make a trade for Marian Hossa, keep the throw in, and some how still make it worth it. Probably a testament to the team he got them from, given they since relocated.

He made one good trade for James Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski, but it never helped Crosby much. Niskanen is probably gone, and there's rumors about Neal, so...

And he fired the coach.


Oh and he drafted Jordan Staal the year after the Penguins were bad one last time. Instead of Jonathan Toews.


The fact that the Penguins haven't been able to win a Cup, or even so much as return to the finals...hell not even win a conference finals game since then, with Crosby and Malkin their prime, is spectacularly awful. You can throw out the year they both got hurt, but that's only one out of five seasons.

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I'm not sure if Shero is good managerial material in any capacity honestly. For reasons GKJ outlined. That whole Pens organization, both with coaching and the front office, is filled with a bad stench. Really wouldn't want any of those people there because it's pretty spectacular how bad of a team they are despite having the two best scorers in the world for essentially their NHL lives (or at least up until this point). Ever since that Cup win and the more the likes of Bylsma/Shero molded the team the worse they've become. Don't want any part of that.

There's only one thing I can think of as impressive in Shero's tenure in that he has a tendency to do well or at least not get fleeced in trades. His D drafting is still waiting to be judged in part, but how much of that was his scouts? Also, even if the D drafting had been good their drafting everywhere else has been pretty terrible lately. Their forward prospect pool is pretty terrible and has been for a while now. I can't think of any big name goalies in their prospect system either.

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You can be a bad GM but a good assistant GM. From all accounts he did a fine job with Ottawa and Nashville, and he probably learned more with the Penguins. Then again, we don't really know what his contributions were and what he'd bring the table now.

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http://thehockeywriters.com/ray-sher...-front-office/

He brings experience in regards to trading, drafting, and ultimately building a Stanley Cup winning team. He knows the Flyers inside and out and would be a nice addition under Ron Hextall. What do you think?
Not so sure about the bolded. I mean, yes he brings the drafting experience in terms of participation in a few drafts But the drafting resumé itself, outside the 1st round (and sometimes even in the 1st round, as GKJ mentioned), is nothing special.

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He might have done ok with Nashville, but it's hard to tell with their 'be good once every 10 years' philosophy and a boss who in 31 years as a GM has NEVER been to the conference finals (in only two jobs!), so you don't really know whose doing what down there. In that case, you don't really know until you bring him in.

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All Shero did was figure out how to make a trade for Marian Hossa, keep the throw in, and some how still make it worth it. Probably a testament to the team he got them from, given they since relocated.

He made one good trade for James Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski, but it never helped Crosby much. Niskanen is probably gone, and there's rumors about Neal, so...

And he fired the coach.


Oh and he drafted Jordan Staal the year after the Penguins were bad one last time. Instead of Jonathan Toews.


The fact that the Penguins haven't been able to win a Cup, or even so much as return to the finals...hell not even win a conference finals game since then, with Crosby and Malkin their prime, is spectacularly awful. You can throw out the year they both got hurt, but that's only one out of five seasons.
His biggest mistake was holding on to Bylsma as long as he did. Bylsma should have been fired after the Pens were embarrassed by the Flyers in 2012, and it's quite possible that he would still be the GM in Pittsburgh today had he let him go then. Instead, he hitched his wagon to Disco and crashed and burned along with him.

Positives:
-Kunitz trade
-Hossa trade
-Staal trade

Negatives:
-Average drafting record
-Struggled to find cheap talent to put around his generational talents
-Was too loyal to Dan Bylsma

Like I said, I wouldn't mind him coming on in some capacity as an assistant to help with trades.

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All Shero did was figure out how to make a trade for Marian Hossa, keep the throw in, and some how still make it worth it. Probably a testament to the team he got them from, given they since relocated.

He made one good trade for James Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski, but it never helped Crosby much. Niskanen is probably gone, and there's rumors about Neal, so...

And he fired the coach.


Oh and he drafted Jordan Staal the year after the Penguins were bad one last time. Instead of Jonathan Toews.


The fact that the Penguins haven't been able to win a Cup, or even so much as return to the finals...hell not even win a conference finals game since then, with Crosby and Malkin their prime, is spectacularly awful. You can throw out the year they both got hurt, but that's only one out of five seasons.

I'd love to see toews play with the winger staal had in pitt rather than 3 of the best freakin wingers in the game.

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Shero definitely wasn't the best at drafting forwards but isn't that the strength of the Flyer's scouting department? Also all of final decisions regarding signings, trades, and drafting would come down to Hextall (or Snider ).

If his main assignments as Assistant GM were to scout defensemen and work on trades I think he could be an asset until he gets offered a GM job down the line. With Hextall just taking over there isn't a need for a young "GM-to-be" in the assistant GM position so why not give it to someone with family ties to the organization that could help.

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