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Kimmo Timonen Re-signs (Reportedly $2M base; with bonuses could reach $3.5M)

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06-13-2014, 12:46 PM
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Kimmo knew we were cap strapped and took the deal to help us out. I see you Kimmo. Good guy.
This is a man who knows he's more likely to win a Cup by having a small cap hit.

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Hah stupid Holmgren would have signed him for 20 million a year.. and 9 years.. and 2 NMC's hah stupid Holmgren your stupid.




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Short list of Holmgren steals - all RFAs.

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Awesome news. A reduced role Timonen is still a great asset.


And a big LOL to the people saying "Holmgren wouldn't have got this kind of a deal". As if using bonuses is some secret, clever cap loophole that Hextall found.
And the bonuses are probably ridiculously easy to attain. In all likelihood, this is a four million dollar contract. That's good, but I wouldn't say it's some steal or anything.

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Awesome news. A reduced role Timonen is still a great asset.


And a big LOL to the people saying "Holmgren wouldn't have got this kind of a deal". As if using bonuses is some secret, clever cap loophole that Hextall found.
Just saying but Homers biggest weakness was his understanding of the CBA. Most of his defenders even acknowledge this.

Well let me add in him and his staff.

But anyway lets stop this. The Homer fans are already flooding in. good deal for a guy at the end of his career.

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Just saying but Homers biggest weakness what his understanding of the CBA. Most of his defenders even acknowledge this.
We have an assistant GM that is supposedly his specialty. He blows, and while Homer should have know it as well, this guy is supposed to be his go to man.

Hexy don't need no assistant GM.

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This is a man who knows he's more likely to win a Cup by having a small cap hit.
He's also a man that's made over 50 million dollars in his professional career. I doubt he was going to try and squeeze another million or so out of them at the end of his career.

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We have an assistant GM that is supposedly his specialty. He blows, and while Homer should have know it as well, this guy is supposed to be his go to man.

Hexy don't need no assistant GM.
Hextall has an assistant GM (Barry Hanrahan)

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And the bonuses are probably ridiculously easy to attain. In all likelihood, this is a four million dollar contract. That's good, but I wouldn't say it's some steal or anything.
Apparently they are easily attainable.

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We have an assistant GM that is supposedly his specialty. He blows, and while Homer should have know it as well, this guy is supposed to be his go to man.

Hexy don't need no assistant GM.
Absolutely. Im not foolish enough to put it all on Homers plate. I actually didnt think he was the worse GM out there. Just not the best like some here. I just think the boss of your team should understand the rules. Falls on him if the people under him dont either.

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And the bonuses are probably ridiculously easy to attain. In all likelihood, this is a four million dollar contract. That's good, but I wouldn't say it's some steal or anything.
Yeah, Kimmo's last contract could have been bonus laden, too, but considering the team could afford the full hit last season, it was smart to not have them so we wouldn't be stuck with bonus money on our cap the year G's extension kicks in. But Holmgren wouldn't get credit for that...

Realistically, though, it's not just Holmgren or Hextall. It's not one person; it's a team of management planning, making these decisions, negotiating, and executing.

Hanrahan, Hextall, and Holmgren have had a hand in all these contracts so giving credit or blame to one person has always seemed ridiculous to me.

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$2m is the cap hit for this season. if he reaches the incentives, the $2m from the incentives is rolled to next year

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yeah that would be correct. not sure what the incentives are.

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Just saying but Homers biggest weakness was his understanding of the CBA. Most of his defenders even acknowledge this.

Well let me add in him and his staff.

But anyway lets stop this. The Homer fans are already flooding in. good deal for a guy at the end of his career.
I'll agree to an extent, but let's not act as though a guy like Steve Yzerman has an intimate and comprehensive understanding of the CBA. There are other people who handle this. Even beyond Hanrahan.

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The picture that the have of Timonen on their site is great....



reminds me of....


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2 million base salary and 2 million in bonuses nice another great move.

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Hextall has an assistant GM (Barry Hanrahan)
I know, it was a joke. He is the CBA/cap specialist too who had the great mishaps of Prongers deal and Talbots deal come back wrong..

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2 million dollar cap hit is a great deal. I am fine with the carryover bonuses that go into next season. Going to guess its games played is the main one

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I know, it was a joke. He is the CBA/cap specialist too who had the great mishaps of Prongers deal and Talbots deal come back wrong..
I misread what you said, my bad

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Yeah, Kimmo's last contract could have been bonus laden, too, but considering the team could afford the full hit last season, it was smart to not have them so we wouldn't be stuck with bonus money on our cap the year G's extension kicks in. But Holmgren wouldn't get credit for that...

Realistically, though, it's not just Holmgren or Hextall. It's not one person; it's a team of management planning, making these decisions, negotiating, and executing.

Hanrahan, Hextall, and Holmgren have had a hand in all these contracts so giving credit or blame to one person has always seemed ridiculous to me.
Pretty much. It's not Homer or Hexy all alone in their office plugging names into CapGeek until they get the right alignment. These guys have teams of people working behind the scenes to get these deals done.

But you do make a good point about last year's contract. They overpaid him a little then on straight money (when they had the space) in the hopes that this would be the kind of deal he would accept this year. Homer and Hexy: figuring out ways to front-load one year deals!

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He likely signed a low cap hit so it would be easy to deal him at the deadline to a team that could give him a chance to win a cup should we be out of it.

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I know, it was a joke. He is the CBA/cap specialist too who had the great mishaps of Prongers deal and Talbots deal come back wrong..
Not knowing you can not sign an 18 yr old european who was not drafted. Constant trading of draft picks due to poor cap management.

The guy is a nice guy with an eye for talent. He also was (I would say) 50/50 winning and losing trades which isnt bad. But his and his teams understanding of the CBA seems to be poor. Now maybe many teams run into this problem but ours seems to be quite frequently.

Now maybe it was a luck do to Kimo wanting to stay but so far so good with Hextall. Now Im not blind enough to go against him if he goes into free agency and throws a terrible contract out there.

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Nice. I think I said a while back I only want him back at $2 million. So if that's the price...I'll take it.

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