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06-17-2014, 12:48 PM
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I don't think that we will see an entirely similar line up next year. Since when has NY sat on its hands when there was an opportunity to get a big-ticket player? Usually... never. It's a part of the problem, but in this case... I genuinely think it'll be part of the solution.

I thought this team could have beaten LA. My analysis before the LA series was that the teams were equal in probability to win but that the Rangers should have a major advantage because of LA's fatigue. LA's fatigue was not evident whatsoever, I must give credit to the posters who disagreed with me and thought it would be a relative non-factor, and the team's were more or less, equal. Rangers had a bad 3-0 loss, LA had a 2-1 loss, and 3 games that went to OT/2OT... can't ask for much more than to get a few bounces to go your way in OT.

In my opinion, there shouldn't be too much overhaul on the team - the important core players need to remain. I look at the team and the core players are the guys who either stood in front of the locker room and allowed the team to rally around them or were clear difference makers on the ice.

D. Moore, Boyle, Kreider, Zuccarello, Stralman.

Those are the 5 guys we have up for free agency in some capacity that are part of this team's core. Everyone always talks about tough decisions, and in my opinion, it's pivotal to make not only tough decisions... but the right ones.

Boyle and D. Moore were a great 4th line tandem, arguably being the catalysts to a top 3 4th line in the league. Both were integral to our successful penalty kill and ability to consistently run 4 lines. In terms of locker room importance, Boyle was the first veteran player to welcome our younger guys and make them comfortable with being a part of the team. Moore was a guy that the team rallied around and began playing harder for.

Kreider was a difference maker, not only with his speed, but his uncanny ability to score a goal when the team needed it most.

Zucarello was the sole reason that the 3rd line was as dynamic as it was, all season long.

Stralman was arguably our best and most consistent player throughout the playoffs.

I look at the other UFA's that are coming up, and to me, they aren't as important to keep.

Pouloit, Brassard, Carcillo, J. Moore.... they're not part of the core. They're depth players that are exactly just that. Would they be nice to keep? Sure, but they're the guys that need to be the casualties when these decisions come up.

Pouloit on a career year scored 36 points. Brassard was great for stretches... and also invisible for others.

Would it be nice to keep some of those 4? Absolutely. You can tell that most, if not all, really cared about the success of this team - really love and relish playing in NY... but that's where tough decisions come in.

Finally, Marc Staal, one of my favorite Rangers. Is he a part of the core - the core for the future and the core under this coach? A locker room presence, Staal is certainly invaluable... but due for a steep increase in salary to go along in concordance about questions about his durability and ability to be optimized under this coach's offensive and defensive system... is he another guy that may actually need to be replaced?

Mid-way through the season I was arguing that Girardi needed to be traded, that Staal and him were nearly identical in terms of what they brought to the table, and that the younger Staal would be the more logical choice to keep of the two... but the team had to make a point blank decision in fear of losing Girardi and they elected to keep him. Now, it seems that Staal may need to be the casualty to offer improvements to this team.

Which is why I go back to my opinion that there will be some a limited, yet significant changes, to our team this offseason.

I think that Boyle's comments yesterday were a means for him to get a better offer by the management. Hey, we can't offer you a bigger role, but you're so damn important to this team that we'll make it up to you by offering you more years and more money. Brooks says he's in the market of getting a 2-3 year deal worth 3-4 mill... Rangers could give him 3 for 4 years, security and slightly inflated value to fair value.

D. Moore... screams to me of a guy that has finally found a home. A journey man in constant search of finding one, he came back to his first team in search of finding a group of guys that he could connect with. He's never gotten over a 1.2 million dollar contract... the Rangers could again, elect to give a longer term for a lower cap value - something in the range of 3 years and 1.5-2 million dollars.

Kreider is in the precarious position of having to deal with a bridge contract. All of our RFA's deal with it and they all get handsome increases afterwards. He'll get something similar to Hagelin and rightfully so.

Zuccarello, the guy who has been taking discounts to play for us all along. The guy who could have elected to play for other teams willing to pay him more money instead of continuously being slighted by Tortorella... but instead opted to structure his game and his contract so that he could play for the NY Rangers. 5 years 21 million. He wants 5 years for 22.

Stralman, another guy who is looking for stability and safety rather than to break the bank. A guy who has been a rock with the level of responsibility we give him. I imagine being able to offer him a contract between 4 and 6 years could do the trick. 4 mill AAV.

Beuk was on record saying that McIlrath was ready to play for the big club next year. Beuk has been teaching McI for 1-2 years now.

So many different scenarios. Maybe Brassard is looked at as part of the core and Stralman isn't. Maybe Staal was really the reason that Stralman was able to grow so much over the last 3 years, maybe they think that getting someone who offers more offense on the right side while being able to grow defensively next to Staal is a possibility. I got flamed for Niskanen but he offers more offense, a power play point shot we sorely lack from the right side, and his defense could improve being partnered next to a guy who focuses on defense primarily.

Maybe Staal is traded if they figure Stralman is part of the core.

Again, I expect most of these guys to be back, but there will be improvements to this squad too.

2c that offers more size, more offense on the blue line, and keeping our core together. That's what I think we'll see in the coming weeks.

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Niskanen scares me. Who's to say this wasn't a career season for him, and in a contract year no less?

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I agree. We have to give McIIrath a shot

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you sit on your hands and pass on the big ticket player when you simply can't afford to have him on your roster. Having said that, your point about Staal maybe getting traded could come to fruition for that centerman. Perhaps more than Staal, and if done, it better be a darn good centerman on the younger side of 30. I'm not advocating trading Staal, just saying that his price tag, coupled with the overall price tag of the defense, and what may be a hole to fill with Richards likely departing (no need for jokes here), there may be a trade done.

Building a team is tricky. It seems as though the Rangers need only tweaks...but that's assuming all else in the league is equal and the season plays out the same way. It's not equal and won't play out the same way. There's going to be a lot of competition for those playoff spots. Some decent teams didn't make the playoffs and will adjust. Some teams might have better financial flexibility than the Rangers. Some may have been younger and could hit their stride next season. Some had some bad breaks and perhaps that doesn't happen again. What I'd like to see improved likely won't be - that's the play in front of the net. Clearing in the defensive side and getting rebound chances on the offensive side. We shall see what they do.

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Niskanen scares me. Who's to say this wasn't a career season for him, and in a contract year no less?
I think you can look at him as a slight product of his surroundings - i.e Malkin and Crosby feeding him points on the league best powerplay... but then you could also attribute a big part of that success to him actually rising up to the occasion and taking hold of his opportunities.

He's not the best defensively. Not overly physical. But he certainly will be able to notch over 40 points for our team. Our power play looked lethal for a large stretch of the season, and then Richards began to fall back down to Earth. Niskanen should get similar opportunities for success on our powerplay. If the team elected to swap him in for Stralman and to keep Staal... he'd be able to play with a guy who could stabilize his defensive faults - the importance of a line mate is enormous, just look at the effect Klein had on J. Moore.

If you can get him on a contract of like 4-4.5, which i'm not sure we can do as I'm not entirely sure of the market that there is for him, and they determine they want to stick with Staal over Stralman.. then I think Niskanen would go a long way to improving our blue line offensive production, a big problem of ours this season.

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you sit on your hands and pass on the big ticket player when you simply can't afford to have him on your roster. Having said that, your point about Staal maybe getting traded could come to fruition for that centerman. Perhaps more than Staal, and if done, it better be a darn good centerman on the younger side of 30. I'm not advocating trading Staal, just saying that his price tag, coupled with the overall price tag of the defense, and what may be a hole to fill with Richards likely departing (no need for jokes here), there may be a trade done.

Building a team is tricky. It seems as though the Rangers need only tweaks...but that's assuming all else in the league is equal and the season plays out the same way. It's not equal and won't play out the same way. There's going to be a lot of competition for those playoff spots. Some decent teams didn't make the playoffs and will adjust. Some teams might have better financial flexibility than the Rangers. Some may have been younger and could hit their stride next season. Some had some bad breaks and perhaps that doesn't happen again. What I'd like to see improved likely won't be - that's the play in front of the net. Clearing in the defensive side and getting rebound chances on the offensive side. We shall see what they do.
Someone suggested a trade of Staal and Brassard for ROR and __.

You add your 2c. Miller takes the 3c responsibility. Brassard's 4 mill and Staal's 4 mill come off the books, rather than just Staal's 4 mill and a prospect.

But then that's a significant overhaul to ask for, too.

Very tricky. They can't overturn too many players and hope to be as successful as they were this season. They just can't. I'm hoping something like 80% of our players remain the same and hte 20% offer improvements to our current roster.

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I agree. We have to give McIIrath a shot
I don't know about have to, but I'd imagine that he's about ready for an extended cup of coffee.

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Niskanen had a career year. Will he be able to repeat it without Crosby and Malkin?

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Someone suggested a trade of Staal and Brassard for ROR and __.

You add your 2c. Miller takes the 3c responsibility. Brassard's 4 mill and Staal's 4 mill come off the books, rather than just Staal's 4 mill and a prospect.

But then that's a significant overhaul to ask for, too.

Very tricky. They can't overturn too many players and hope to be as successful as they were this season. They just can't. I'm hoping something like 80% of our players remain the same and hte 20% offer improvements to our current roster.
I think besides Richards getting bought out, and Boyle probably pricing himself out, we can retain everyone else (disregarding perhaps a Staal trade for ROR).

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We could have that type of presence if the guy can make the team out of camp
Which guy? If you're suggesting McIlrath, while I agree he should get a shot and we need that presence, I also think you may need to seriously adjust your view of either him or Byfgulien... They are not similar at all besides the fact they have both lived in Winnipeg, are big, and play defense.

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Someone suggested a trade of Staal and Brassard for ROR and __.

You add your 2c. Miller takes the 3c responsibility. Brassard's 4 mill and Staal's 4 mill come off the books, rather than just Staal's 4 mill and a prospect.

But then that's a significant overhaul to ask for, too.

Very tricky. They can't overturn too many players and hope to be as successful as they were this season. They just can't. I'm hoping something like 80% of our players remain the same and hte 20% offer improvements to our current roster.
the tricky part then becomes managing the team's depth. Trade two guys for one. Re-up current guys. You don't have a guy like Boyle on the fourth line. Diaz isn't your 7th defenseman, he's your 6th. Good news is the Rangers have some nice, young talent. Bad news is many are due for well-deserved raises.

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Wonder how closely the Rangers are monitoring the Kevin Hayes situation. Would be an interesting addition.

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the tricky part then becomes managing the team's depth. Trade two guys for one. Re-up current guys. You don't have a guy like Boyle on the fourth line. Diaz isn't your 7th defenseman, he's your 6th. Good news is the Rangers have some nice, young talent. Bad news is many are due for well-deserved raises.
I think losing a guy like Boyle will hurt us more than most here are willing to admit.

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Wonder how closely the Rangers are monitoring the Kevin Hayes situation. Would be an interesting addition.
Wat is his situation?

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Wat is his situation?
Hasn't signed with Chicago yet. Might want to go elsewhere.

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Hasn't signed with Chicago yet. Might want to go elsewhere.
I can't really see him being more than a 4th liner that occasionally needs to play 3rd line minutes. Ever.

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I think we have a few different paths we can go down. All of which are dependent on the richards buy out.

1. We use his money to resign everyone who isn't pulling a Cally and asking for 1.5m more then anyone is willing to give.

JT Miller/D.Moore takes the third center spot with Brassard taking the 2nd.

We hunt for another 4th liner who can play Rangers hockey. **** no to Shawn Thornton.

2. We buy out richards let stralman walk and try and find a good center on FA.

We then trade Miller and Talbot (he will probably not resign after this next contract with no hope of ever being a starting goalie here) to try and find a D man to replace Stralman.

3. We resign stralman and trade Staal/Miller/Talbot for a 1st line center and bring up a D Man or try and get a steel on FA.

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I can't really see him being more than a 4th liner that occasionally needs to play 3rd line minutes. Ever.
Eh. I'm just going to agree to disagree. I don't see superstar potential there, but certainly better than 4th line upside.

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Eh. I'm just going to agree to disagree. I don't see superstar potential there, but certainly better than 4th line upside.
Upside, sure. His shot is dynamic.

But he did loads of stupid **** while in college. He was almost kicked off the team. Suspended for part of his junior season.

Jimmy was better. Bigger leader. More consistent. He has 18 pts in 53 games for the Panthers. I don't think Kevin can be better than him.

Upside? Ok. I can see that.

But whether he reaches that is a whole different story.

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The thought of Dany Heatley did cross my mind the other day. His legs are shot though. Skating is horrible. No go for our team's game plan.
yeah, I can't believe Heatley's name is coming up. You guys thought Brad Richards was slow and useless...

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Our defense is fine. We need more offensive strength. Everything will depend on what we do with Nash. Apparently he doesn't bring what we need. Is he happy in NYC? What teams would he feel worthy waiving his NTC for? When he was at Columbus, he waived the clause for the following teams:

Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and San Jose.

A deal with Detroit or Boston would be something I'd be a big fan of. They have the talent up front to trade for Nash which would make us better depth-wise.

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yeah, I can't believe Heatley's name is coming up. You guys thought Brad Richards was slow and useless...
The difference is position and contract.

If Richards was a former 50 goal winger who could be signed short term at perhaps as little as 2 million dollars for next year, you bet your ass I'a advocate for it.

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yeah, I can't believe Heatley's name is coming up. You guys thought Brad Richards was slow and useless...
Firstly, size. And to think about it when Zuccarello and Brassard have set the cycle going, Heatley might just entering the offensive zone ready receive a feed alone in the slot.

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someone post cap compliant projected lines for next year.

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realistically, what can we get for nash?

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