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06-17-2014, 01:22 AM
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if Marc ends up in carolina just move the team to Thunderbay...
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People are talking about moving Stepan - who just gutted it out with a broken face while drinking his meals and still put out a Bergeron-esque performance against the eventual Stanley Cup champions - are you ****ing for real.

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The Senators are not going to trade Jason Spezza for Rick Nash

The Sens owner is looking to cut costs and the team wants to get younger. Nash has $31,800,000 in salary left on his contract while Spezza only has $4,000,000 left

That trade is never happening

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06-17-2014, 01:53 AM
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People are talking about moving Stepan - who just gutted it out with a broken face while drinking his meals and still put out a Bergeron-esque performance against the eventual Stanley Cup champions - are you ****ing for real.
What was Bergeron-esque about it? Oh, the fact that his jaw was broken?

Oh, cool.

He still was physically dominated by the Kings centers and was a complete non-factor in the Stanley Cup Final.

He gets points for showing up with the broken jaw (as any hockey player would) but let's not pretend he had a good series. He didn't.

Since when do you not trade a guy because he just "gutted it out?"

If Brad Richards had played with a broken jaw, would you not buy him out?

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The Senators are not going to trade Jason Spezza for Rick Nash

The Sens owner is looking to cut costs and the team wants to get younger. Nash has $31,800,000 in salary left on his contract while Spezza only has $4,000,000 left

That trade is never happening
That's fine, but I hope your owner is cool with finishing at the bottom of the league every year then, because if your team gets any younger, they're not going to be winning many games. You have a pretty young team to begin with. You want to cut costs and get younger? That's great, but it comes at the expense of losing.

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That's fine, but I hope your owner is cool with finishing at the bottom of the league every year then, because if your team gets any younger, they're not going to be winning many games. You have a pretty young team to begin with. You want to cut costs and get younger? That's great, but it comes at the expense of losing.
Ya that's wat happens u either go end up even or u take a loss in ownership in this league... That's why the salary cap is so low compared to other leagues. The nhl needs to not focus on adding teams but instead strengthening poor markets like Florida and Phoenix. Until every owner is making money on his team this will continue to happen. Most owners are businessmen and they want to protect their investment

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That's fine, but I hope your owner is cool with finishing at the bottom of the league every year then, because if your team gets any younger, they're not going to be winning many games. You have a pretty young team to begin with. You want to cut costs and get younger? That's great, but it comes at the expense of losing.
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What was Bergeron-esque about it? Oh, the fact that his jaw was broken?

Oh, cool.

He still was physically dominated by the Kings centers and was a complete non-factor in the Stanley Cup Final.

He gets points for showing up with the broken jaw (as any hockey player would) but let's not pretend he had a good series. He didn't.

Since when do you not trade a guy because he just "gutted it out?"

If Brad Richards had played with a broken jaw, would you not buy him out?
Awful post.

Stepan made Kopitar a non factor.

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06-17-2014, 02:22 AM
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People are worrid how we replace Richards so we trade Stpan for a C (Spezza/ROR)? Makes sense, one step forward, two step back.

Staal is a much better bait, espacially in discussions with COL who needs D, they got Statsny, Duchene, McKinnon, so they are gonna ask for a lesser skilled and cheaper centre instead of solve a problem for them?

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Why does this board hate Stepan?

Every offseason, people are trying to trade him for anything

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06-17-2014, 02:35 AM
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Awful post.

Stepan made Kopitar a non factor.
Thanks for the laugh. Kopitar can't hear you with his two SC rings plugged in his ears.

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Thanks for the laugh. Kopitar can't hear you with his two SC rings plugged in his ears.
Yah I didn't notice Kopitar once in that series. He was elite in the prior series and Stepan shut him down, like he did Crosby and Giroux.

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06-17-2014, 02:38 AM
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Why does this board hate Stepan?

Every offseason, people are trying to trade him for anything
Because he isn't Wayne Gretzky... Honestly ppl have rediculous expectations for a first line center

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People are worrid how we replace Richards so we trade Stpan for a C (Spezza/ROR)? Makes sense, one step forward, two step back.

Staal is a much better bait, espacially in discussions with COL who needs D, they got Statsny, Duchene, McKinnon, so they are gonna ask for a lesser skilled and cheaper centre instead of solve a problem for them?
a) I'm not sure who's "worried" about how we replace a guy who was on the 4th line to end our season.

b) Upgrading Stepan to a better overall player is two steps back? Interesting.

c) It's not COL shopping in a candy store picking whatever they want. THEY are the team with their backs against the wall at risk of losing ROR for NOTHING if he takes the 1 year arbitration award and bolts after the season. It's in their best interest to get whatever the best deal they can for him now is. And GM's know this so they're not going to offer up full value for a guy they could wait for and get for nothing but cap-space in the next offseason.

It's not about what COL wants. It's about the best they can get from this crappy situation they put themselves in. And under those circumstances, yes, to be able to replace ROR's production and spot in the lineup for almost HALF the cap-hit, AND get a capable top-4 defenseman making less than 3 mil a year is a VERY GOOD DEAL FOR THEM.

That's the reality of this situation.

That's why Bob McKenzie said this was going to "make waves."

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06-17-2014, 02:43 AM
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Yah I didn't notice Kopitar once in that series. He was elite in the prior series and Stepan shut him down, like he did Crosby and Giroux.
I love when people label "cause and effect" to two things that have nothing to do with eachother.

Observation: I didn't see Kopitar light it up in the Final.

Conclusion: Stepan shut him down!


Why didn't Nash score in the Final? Did Gaborik shut him down?

Why didn't Brad Richards score in the Final? Did Dwight King shut him down?


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"like he did Crosby and Giroux"

I just saw this part ^

So it was Stepan, not McDonagh and Girardi and Staal and Stralman and Lundqvist and the team as a whole? It was defensive specialist Derek Nemchinov Stepan?

Come on, man. Let's have a real conversation. This is silly.

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Why does this board hate Stepan?

Every offseason, people are trying to trade him for anything
Don't assume.

I love Stepan.

But I see his value and you have to give to get.

I love the NY Rangers TEAM more than I love any individual player, so I'm fine with trading anyone if it helps make the team better.

Just because I think he should be traded for a better player doesn't mean I hate him. That's pretty black and white, not to mention hyperbolic.

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According McKenzie, Winnipeg will look to make a few deals.

Mark Scheifele would be an -- extremely -- good fit for us between Kreider and Nash.

I think it would be real hard to get him, but if something like Hagelin+J Moore (or why not Skjei/McIlrath) could get it done, I really wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.


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I love when people label "cause and effect" to two things that have nothing to do with eachother.

Observation: I didn't see Kopitar light it up in the Final.

Conclusion: Stepan shut him down!


Why didn't Nash score in the Final? Did Gaborik shut him down?

Why didn't Brad Richards score in the Final? Did Dwight King shut him down?


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"like he did Crosby and Giroux"

I just saw this part ^

So it was Stepan, not McDonagh and Girardi and Staal and Stralman and Lundqvist and the team as a whole? It was defensive specialist Derek Nemchinov Stepan?

Come on, man. Let's have a real conversation. This is silly.
He was a legitimate factor in those players being total non factors. Whether or not you want to credit him for it, the fact is that he is one of the best defensive centers in the league.

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According McKenzie, Winnipeg will look to make a few deals.

Mark Scheifele would be an -- extremely -- good fit for us between Kreider and Nash.
Would probably have to move Kreider to pick him up, unless their GM is incompetent and Sather can get him for Nash or something.

And I doubt Nash would waive for ****ing Winnipeg lirl


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Congratulations to bernmeister for the successful attempt at human cloning....uncanny, right down to the ability to make my eyes bleed.


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Congratulations to bernmeister for the successful attempt at human cloning....uncanny, righ down to the ability to make my eyes bleed.
ROFL a

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I'm gonna take a crack at it

Giroux and Read for McDonagh
Pietrangelo for Stepan and Kreider
Keith and Crawford for Hank
Brassard and Hagelin + 16/17 1sts for H. Sedin and D. Sedin

Zuccarello-Giroux-Nash
Sedin-Sedin-St. Louis
Pouliot-Miller-Read
Fast-Moore-Dorsett

Keith-Pietrangelo
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein
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Talbot
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Congratulations to bernmeister for the successful attempt at human cloning....uncanny, righ down to the ability to make my eyes bleed.
I'm no fan of bern's outlandish posts but that's unfair to him

At least bern seems to have a decent grasp of the sport itself. This dude...

edit: BB, that's great. But you forgot to play someone completely out of position and/or depth. Aside from Talbot as #1. You need to have someone like Fast as our #2 center or something. =P

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He was a legitimate factor in those players being total non factors. Whether or not you want to credit him for it, the fact is that he is one of the best defensive centers in the league.



Would probably have to move Kreider to pick him up, unless their GM is incompetent and Sather can get him for Nash or something.

And I doubt Nash would waive for ****ing Winnipeg lirl

Drop the attitude and immature shots. They are unnecessary and only make you appear insecure.

To say that Stepan was a factor or a part of the collective effort to limit kopitar's time and space is wildly different from saying that Kopitar was a non-factor "because Stepan shut him down."

And yes, I think it's a stretch to call Stepan "one of the best defensive centers in the league." He's good defensively. That's as far as I'd go. One of the best would suggest to me that he would be at least garnering SOME Selke consideration, and I've heard nothing of the sort.

Seriously though, I'm not here to make enemies. Disagreement is healthy and fine, but please cut out the attitude and making fun of posters and going off topic with attempted personal insults. There's no need for that, is there?

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a) I'm not sure who's "worried" about how we replace a guy who was on the 4th line to end our season.

b) Upgrading Stepan to a better overall player is two steps back? Interesting.

c) It's not COL shopping in a candy store picking whatever they want. THEY are the team with their backs against the wall at risk of losing ROR for NOTHING if he takes the 1 year arbitration award and bolts after the season. It's in their best interest to get whatever the best deal they can for him now is. And GM's know this so they're not going to offer up full value for a guy they could wait for and get for nothing but cap-space in the next offseason.

It's not about what COL wants. It's about the best they can get from this crappy situation they put themselves in. And under those circumstances, yes, to be able to replace ROR's production and spot in the lineup for almost HALF the cap-hit, AND get a capable top-4 defenseman making less than 3 mil a year is a VERY GOOD DEAL FOR THEM.

That's the reality of this situation.

That's why Bob McKenzie said this was going to "make waves."
Okay didn't really said what I should have but do we really want to give up on Stepan, even if we get a better player at the same position back? I don't anyway. You need depth and very much so when you lack elite talent. We can replace Brad from within the org in JT but that's far from a sure ting in production but nonetheless it's not a bad option. If we want to upgrade the position ROR is almost a perfect candidate but why not trade from a area of strength not from the organisations weakest position. Swap Stapan with ROR, we will get a better player but as a team it won't make a very big difference, however add him to Brassars and Stepan that's a BIG upgrade. One of Staal and Stårlman have to go, we might be able to play them both this year but what about next when Staals cap hit is at $6m? Get rid of the guy you can get value for. Promote Allen.

Col will get a quality return for him. We can give them something they needs and most likely wants while he is somewhat expandable when you look at it in a cap perspective. Col should be a place where Staal could think of to stay in since they are a young up and coming contender where he would be hugely appreciate.


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