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09-05-2005, 08:03 AM
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Is Ruutu untouchable?

Just curious. I'd love to see him in a Leaf uniform, but realize that will probably never happen. I was just curious if you all thought that he was untouchable?

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09-05-2005, 08:52 AM
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Well I guess no one is untouchable these days. But if there is anyone on the Hawks roster that is untouchable it is without the slightest doubt Ruutu.

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09-05-2005, 09:11 AM
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Well I guess no one is untouchable these days. But if there is anyone on the Hawks roster that is untouchable it is without the slightest doubt Ruutu.
Man, if you guys ever wanted to move him (for whatever the reason) I think he'd be one of the few players I'd pay top dollar for.

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Man, if you guys ever wanted to move him (for whatever the reason) I think he'd be one of the few players I'd pay top dollar for.
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09-05-2005, 10:09 AM
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The Leafs couldn't afford Ruutu.

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09-05-2005, 10:48 AM
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The Leafs couldn't afford Ruutu.

I'm sure we could, it's just we'd have to give up quite a bit.

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I'd love to hear what you believe the Leafs could offer to get him.

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09-05-2005, 11:15 AM
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I'd love to hear what you believe the Leafs could offer to get him.

Well, here goes...


to Chicago: N.Antropov, R.Earl, T.Kaberle, 2nd round in 06
to Toronto: T.Ruutu

Not a bad return...

Keep in mind, I'd be willing to adjust things accordingly to Chicago's needs.

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09-05-2005, 11:22 AM
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Well, here goes...


to Chicago: N.Antropov, R.Earl, T.Kaberle, 2nd round in 06
to Toronto: T.Ruutu

Not a bad return...

Keep in mind, I'd be willing to adjust things accordingly to Chicago's needs.

I don't think anyone in the history of these boards has posted a proposal on another teams boards that was accepted (jK) so I don't expect Chicago fans to agree with this proposal. But, it would be nice to "haggle" back and forth until we came upon an agreement. Ususally when you attempt to, either team seems to overate their own players and there doesn't seem to be a happy outcome.

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09-05-2005, 11:28 AM
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Of the players you proposed, the only one that interests me is Kaberle.

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09-05-2005, 11:35 AM
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How about...


To Chicago: N.Antropov, M.Stajan, T.Kaberle, B.Bell, 2nd in 06
To Toronto: T.Ruutu, K.Calder, B.seabrook


Again, these are just "ideas".

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09-05-2005, 11:54 AM
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Like i said, the Leafs can't afford Ruutu.

We wouldn't trade Quality for quanity. We already have quanity (Bell, Calder, Arnason) .The Leafs don't have a franchise like player to deal. Go trade for Gaborik and we'll talk.

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09-05-2005, 11:57 AM
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Like i said, the Leafs can't afford Ruutu.

We wouldn't trade Quality for quanity. We already have quanity (Bell, Calder, Arnason) .The Leafs don't have a franchise like player to deal. Go trade for Gaborik and we'll talk.

Well, I don't think Ruutu is a franchise player as of yet. He is not even a star player in the league yet. He might be depending on how well he plays this year. So, I think my proposal was more than fair, but that's just me.

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Well, I don't think Ruutu is a franchise player as of yet. He is not even a star player in the league yet. He might be depending on how well he plays this year. So, I think my proposal was more than fair, but that's just me.
So you want us to deal Ruutu's value as of this moment and pretend he won't be franchise in 2 years?

Eric Staal isn't francise yet either. Maybe we can deal Bell for him cause Bell is better right now.

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09-05-2005, 12:36 PM
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So you want us to deal Ruutu's value as of this moment and pretend he won't be franchise in 2 years?

Eric Staal isn't francise yet either. Maybe we can deal Bell for him cause Bell is better right now.
Well, who can predict the future really. He could blossom into a franchie player or with his style of game go down early in his career because of injuries. Who knows?

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or with his style of game go down early in his career because of injuries. Who knows?
Why do you want to trade for him then?

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09-05-2005, 12:50 PM
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Why do you want to trade for him then?
Well, because I like his upside and style of play. The only reason for this thread was to see of Chicago fans deemed him untouchable.

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09-05-2005, 12:56 PM
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The truth is Leafs really don't have anything to offer that would come close in value to make the Hawks trade Ruutu.

Ruutu is a perfect match with Chicago. He is a skilled and physical young player, Jeremy Roenick like player that Chicago fans just love to see. He was already in the second half of his rookie season a huge fan favourite, for many fans pretty much the only reason they even bothered to go and watch the Hawks play. Fans and the Hawks brass see him as the new face of the franchise that will in time bring the roar back to Chicago.

And there is no denying he truly is a special player who can become great. Players like that are hard to come by and when you're lucky enough to draft one, you don't trade him if you don't really have to.

IMO a trade involving Ruutu would have to bring AT LEAST a similar young franchise player talent back and sadly enough Leafs don't have those kind of players.

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09-05-2005, 01:06 PM
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IMO a trade involving Ruutu would have to bring AT LEAST a similar young franchise player talent back and sadly enough Leafs don't have those kind of players.

Who's to say Stajan doesn't become the next S.Yzerman? He played well last year with little to no ice time?

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Who's to say Stajan doesn't become the next S.Yzerman? He played well last year with little to no ice time?
Well I know you're not serious with that remark, but what I'm trying to say is that if there even was the remotest possibility of the Hawks even contemplating of trading Ruutu now, it would involve players like Kovalchuk or Thornton. That's how I see it.

Can you give me ONE reason why Hawks would trade Ruutu anyway?

He is pretty much as untouchable as ANY other player in the league.

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09-05-2005, 01:17 PM
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Who's to say Stajan doesn't become the next S.Yzerman? He played well last year with little to no ice time?
Weren't you having this argument a few months earlier?

Stajan and Ruutu in the same breath just isn't right. Sure Stajan could become the next "Yzerman," but he could just as easily become the next Manny Malhotra.

No, Ruutu's not untouchable, but I'd say one of about a dozen players in the leauge would need to be going the other way in the trade--ESPECIALLY now that we're in a cap world.

The Leafs really don't have anything that would entice the Hawks enough to let go of a potential franchise power(ful)-forward in the leauge.

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09-05-2005, 01:18 PM
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Well I know you're not serious with that remark, but what I'm trying to say is that if there even was the remotest possibility of the Hawks even contemplating of trading Ruutu now, it would involve players like Kovalchuk or Thornton. That's how I see it.

Can you give me ONE reason why Hawks would trade Ruutu anyway?

He is pretty much as untouchable as ANY other player in the league.

Well if you read my inital post, my question was " do Chicago fans deem Ruutu untouchable"?. I wasn't the one that started the proposals? I was asked my opinion so I posted it.

If you think he's untouchable , fine, that's your opinion.

If Ruutu was on the Leafs, I'd consider him untouchable.

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09-05-2005, 01:22 PM
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[QUOTE=Ensane]Weren't you having this argument a few months earlier?

Stajan and Ruutu in the same breath just isn't right. Sure Stajan could become the next "Yzerman," but he could just as easily become the next Manny Malhotra.



QUOTE]


Couldn't Ruutu become the next Lindros (Brett )?

It's all hypothetical anyway.

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Couldn't Ruutu become the next Lindros (Brett )?

It's all hypothetical anyway.
Yes, but at this point, Ruutu has a better shot of becoming more like the brother of Brett. Brett never did jacksquat in the NHL, Ruutu had a splendid rookie season, which saw him as one of the best performing forwards in the NHL in the last 40 games of the season.

So, to answer your question, no, he's not untouchable. But unless you've got a player like Phaneuf, Frolov, Spezza, Ovechkin, etc...then yes, he is untouchable. If it's the Leafs inquiring, then he's also untouchable.

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Ruutu had a splendid rookie season, which saw him as one of the best performing forwards in the NHL in the last 40 games of the season.

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How could he have had a splendid rookie season when he was no where to be found for the first 40 games? I'll admit he had a great 2nd half, not to mention he played well internationally. That's what made me notice him. And I love the comparisons to Peter Forsberg.

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