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09-05-2005, 11:57 AM
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Christian Dube

another thread brought this to the forefront of my mind...

Looking at his stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00014471

I really wonder if we have the ability to grow our own franchise... :-(

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Looks to me from his stats he hit is prime and is now on the decline at such an early age.

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And to think he was untouchable...coulda traded him for so much.

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can we say rushed?

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And to think he was untouchable...coulda traded him for so much.
Yup. I believe he was asked for by Hartford when they were trading Brendan Shanahan. I believe the package the Whalers asked for was Dube, Jeff Brown, Dan Cloutier and a #1 in 1997.

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He's truely on the decline.

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Yup. I believe he was asked for by Hartford when they were trading Brendan Shanahan. I believe the package the Whalers asked for was Dube, Jeff Brown, Dan Cloutier and a #1 in 1997.

I thought Kovalev was part of the package for Shanahan.

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another thread brought this to the forefront of my mind...

Looking at his stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00014471

I really wonder if we have the ability to grow our own franchise... :-(

Another thing, at the time he had high trade value but if he was really that good of a prospect, I bet alot of the other NHL teams would have tried to sign him or trade for his rights while he was playing in europe.

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I thought Kovalev was part of the package for Shanahan.
Another package offered by the Rangers was Kovalev, Karpovtsev and a #1 for Shanahan, which was turned down. The Whalers asked for Sundstrom.

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09-05-2005, 07:27 PM
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i dont remember him having that great of status, only that the rangers hyped him up so much in his draft year and i remember they even had a huge read on him in one of the preseason game programs

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yea but its so easy to see what we could have done now. theres no use in hanging our heads because we believed our prospect could be something. Id rather have high hopes on a prospect than dump him early, even if we did get someone good.(ex. tony amonte, doug weight)

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09-06-2005, 08:49 AM
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He's been on a strict diet of nothing but Buffalo Meat for the last several years.

Once he gets to his target weight, he'll be in the show..

Have some patience..

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He's been on a strict diet of nothing but Buffalo Meat for the last several years.

Once he gets to his target weight, he'll be in the show..

Have some patience..
i heard he added a lot of muscle which killed his skating

was it really that?

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i heard he added a lot of muscle which killed his skating

was it really that?

That was one theory..

Another theory went something like;

"Who the EFF adds muscle but suddenly can't skate? Maybe the dude just isn't good enough for the show?"



I personaly think it was the cancelation of "Suddenly Susan" that really ruined him. He was soo rooting for Brooke, and when dreams like that die, its tough to focus on hockey.

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Hey Davisian

Everytime I see that avatar of yours, I expect you to start humming a few bars of "Everybody Loves Somebody Sometimes"...

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Dubee Dubee Dooo...

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Dubee Dubee Dooo...

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Long live the Rat Pack!!!

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i heard he added a lot of muscle which killed his skating

was it really that?
Something many people don really consider is just how much a hockey player develops from the age of 18 to the age of 20-22. Niklas Sundström was dominant offensivly and won the scoring title in the WJC, he stoped developing after that though. The Sedin twins are also good examples, I've played against them myself. They were really fast when they were 16-18 y/o. They have also lost some acceleration and agility after adding weight.

There are also several other factors, like how you are build. A hockey player should be built like a pylon. His lower body(stomach and legs) have to be strong enough to carry his upper body. I talked to a friend of a friend who practised with MoDo last season. He said that the Sedins had among the strongest upperbodys on the team and he was also somewhat suprised of how "weak" Forsbergs upper body was in the gym, he said the Sedins where much stronger then nr. 21. Then compare the 2(or 3) of them in the corners...

This is not something that is easy to adjust in the gym, hockey players have to be extremely strong in the stomach and leg sections. Some people just aren't able to become strong enough.

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richter, jagr both have strong lower bodies

with work anyone can develop strong lower body

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Chritian Dube is a prime example of why you don't listen to Colin Campbell..He's the horse's *** that wanted to turn Dube (and everybody) into a grinding forward....Christian then went onto the Mr. Ed Horsemeat diet to gain the weight and that was all she wrote..Next stop, the glue factory in Switzerland.....Probabably would have never been anything any way, but hockey and prospects are different in Rangerland...

Gosh, remember when all our young centers---Savard, Dube, Brian Swanson, Mike York--were of the smurf variety..?

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Marty St. Louis is a prime example of core body strength. The guy has monster legs, and with that low centre of gravity he's nearly impossible to knock off stride or off the puck.

You'd be surprised how many guys don't train the legs in favour of an extra chest workout during their weekly routine. It is that misunderstanding that kills their career in the end. That and the fact that their seems to be some sort of proud avoidance when it comes to stretching; everybody is either too good or too cool to stretch - these are the guys that get hurt, often.

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Another thing, at the time he had high trade value but if he was really that good of a prospect, I bet alot of the other NHL teams would have tried to sign him or trade for his rights while he was playing in europe.
There have been thoughts but he's happy in Switz. and getting paid very well.

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Chritian Dube is a prime example of why you don't listen to Colin Campbell..He's the horse's *** that wanted to turn Dube (and everybody) into a grinding forward....Christian then went onto the Mr. Ed Horsemeat diet to gain the weight and that was all she wrote..Next stop, the glue factory in Switzerland.....Probabably would have never been anything any way, but hockey and prospects are different in Rangerland...

Gosh, remember when all our young centers---Savard, Dube, Brian Swanson, Mike York--were of the smurf variety..?
I was always a big Dube fan. I think he would've made it, but like most things the Rangers touched it fell apart.

He was a great kid in juniors, the WJC and the memorial cup but the great undoing was the year he made the team out of training camp. After playing 19 games (almost all on the fourth line) he didn't get any icetime till he was returned to Juniors in December.

The following season he added too much weight after the Rangers tried turning him into something he wasn't (a power forward). He had a solid but unspectacular two years in Hartford and left for the Swiss league's where he's been very happy ever since.

The Rangers went through a list of prospects during this time who they tried turning into something they weren't. They wanted Kovalev to be a center who could also play defense and they wanted Dube and Malhotra to be power forwards.

While the Rangers are not totally to blame for all their luck, they also did little to help their cause.

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