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06-19-2014, 10:36 AM
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3-4 years around 4Mil

Doubt many want to pay that.

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06-19-2014, 10:38 AM
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3-4 years around 4Mil

Doubt many want to pay that.
That's the thing, what makes him think he deserves a pay raise? He did a lot worse than last year, but he wants the same money? It doesn't work like that. Same with Bolland, he apparently wants like 4 mill over a long term deal, but he was injured the whole season. Nobody in their right minds would pay them that.

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06-19-2014, 10:42 AM
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I remember when they were just rumors that the Leafs were going to make a strong push for Clarkson

Seven years of dead cap space later...
I'm not getting into a debate of whether you think Nonis is a good GM or not, that's your opinion. For me he's made good moves (Bernier, Raymond, Bozak) and bad (Clarkson, Komi buyout).

But it's bothersome when Leaf fans pass judgment based on something some other guy heard might happen.

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06-19-2014, 10:44 AM
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Franson missed training camp and then hurt his hip early in the year as well, which impacted all facets of his game. He'll most likely rebound in a big way next year, especially if he gets a full training camp.

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06-19-2014, 10:45 AM
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Except Franson is nothing like MA Bergeron...
Oh come on. Sure he is. Gifted offensively, very effective on the powerplay, but a mongoloid in his own zone, saddled with consistency issues, and looks like an AHL player a lot of the time unless he is playing with someone who covers for his boneheaded mistakes. The similarities are remarkable. The only differences are Franson's size and physicality.

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06-19-2014, 10:48 AM
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Oh come on. Sure he is. Gifted offensively, very effective on the powerplay, but a mongoloid in his own zone, saddled with consistency issues, and looks like an AHL player a lot of the time unless he is playing with someone who covers for his boneheaded mistakes. The similarities are remarkable. The only differences are Franson's size and physicality.
So your saying any PP specialists who are on the weak side defensively is like a MA Bergeron, just like your very own Justin Schultz?

Fact of the matter is, Bergeron didn't possess the physicality and reach that Franson has. The similarities ends at them being PP specialists.

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06-19-2014, 10:48 AM
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Woof. What a difference a year makes.

Last offseason during his contract dispute he was the next big thing (I was admittedly on the Franson train). Now Leaf fans have done a 180 on him. I get the feeling he'll turn it around and whoever gets him in a trade is gonna end up winning.
In the bi-polar world of Leaf nation he was apparently our best Dmen including being better then Phaneuf because he played sheltered minutes one season and then the next season he actually played top 4 minutes in all situations and got exposed for the 4/5 PP specialist that he really is.

I'm by no means a Cody Franson fan but he also was put in a role to fail last year. He needs to play lots of PP minutes, sheltered 5 on 5 minutes with almost no PK time.

Franson was forced to play 1:38 in PK time per game last year. Something he clearly isn't built for but the Leafs had no other option to do because it's better to expose him then put youngsteres like Gardiner or Rielly in that position to fail and potentially ruin their development.

Put Franson in a role like like Niskanen, Barrie, Zidlicky, Streit, Krug, Gonchar, Gelinas, Yandle, Visnovsky, Boyle, Shattenkirk all of whom averaged between 12 seconds to no more then 45 seconds of PK time per game and he'd look a lot better.

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06-19-2014, 10:50 AM
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Woof. What a difference a year makes.

Last offseason during his contract dispute he was the next big thing (I was admittedly on the Franson train). Now Leaf fans have done a 180 on him. I get the feeling he'll turn it around and whoever gets him in a trade is gonna end up winning.
I wanted to trade him last offseason when his value was high.

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06-19-2014, 11:02 AM
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So your saying any PP specialists who are on the weak side defensively is like a MA Bergeron, just like your very own Justin Schultz?

Fact of the matter is, Bergeron didn't possess the physicality and reach that Franson has. The similarities ends at them being PP specialists.
Great. I admitted exactly what you said. Size and phyiscality. And let's be honest here, Franson (and J. Schultz) aren't just "on the weak side" defensively, they are pretty terrible at times, only slightly awful at best. And yes, if Justin Schultz doesn't grow into either a more dominant offensive threat or a better all around defenseman, his career will look similar to MA Bergeron's. Powerplay specialist who most teams won't want. It's a good thing there is still plenty of time for him to grow.

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06-19-2014, 11:06 AM
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Great. I admitted exactly what you said. Size and phyiscality. And let's be honest here, Franson (and J. Schultz) aren't just "on the weak side" defensively, they are pretty terrible at times, only slightly awful at best. And yes, if Justin Schultz doesn't grow into either a more dominant offensive threat or a better all around defenseman, his career will look similar to MA Bergeron's. Powerplay specialist who most teams won't want. It's a good thing there is still plenty of time for him to grow.
Fair enough.

I mean calling Franson a clone of M.A Bergeron is definitely off, similar in some ways, but I suppose we're just arguing semantics.

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06-19-2014, 11:09 AM
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Franson had an off year, he'll bounce back. Keep jumping on the hate train though fellow leaf fans but just realize how soft our defense is without him in the lineup.. we have what, 2 dmen who regularly play physical?

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06-19-2014, 11:11 AM
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Franson was bad defensively last season, but he has a lot more value than what people think on here. That's because he's big and uses his body and is good offensively. GMs love big, skilled players. I imagine they're getting offers of a 2nd rd pick but prefer a forward coming back.

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06-19-2014, 11:12 AM
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Poor Leafs and horrible bosses

I wonder if this means another D is being moved

If Franson is so poor maybe they are considering moving a younger D and signing a Vet
and pushing Franson down the depth chart. This would give the Leafs a better looking D for next year. Franson isn't that bad he just needs better support. Maybe the Defensive minded Gleason would be a better partner than the offensive minded Gardiner?

Sorry I don't know which sides your players play on just trying to put DD and OD together

Dion - XXXX
Gunnerson - Rielly
Gleason - Franson
Marlie player - Ranger


Ranger was added because I believe it was stated Leafs were trying to re-sign him. I could be wrong but wouldn't be hard to replace him as well with another Marlie player.
Leafs have a few good prospects coming up I have heard/seen play recently in Granberg, Percy, MacWilliam, Holzer, Brennen, and Nilsson. Im sure some of them can fill in for 7/8 spot. Randy started using 7 D a lot more near the end of the season if I remember correctly so it wouldn't be the case of a younger D only playing 5 minutes a game as he could be worked in to play with other combinations.

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06-19-2014, 11:24 AM
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3-4 years around 4Mil

Doubt many want to pay that.
Yikes.

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06-19-2014, 12:02 PM
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Would take him back if the salary was right. If he came cheap we could just play him in a bottom pairing role. He still has the upside to be a second pairing D.

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06-19-2014, 12:08 PM
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Oh come on. Sure he is. Gifted offensively, very effective on the powerplay, but a mongoloid in his own zone, saddled with consistency issues, and looks like an AHL player a lot of the time unless he is playing with someone who covers for his boneheaded mistakes. The similarities are remarkable. The only differences are Franson's size and physicality.
Your analysis aside, the bolded are to fairly significant differences which make Franson a much better/more valuable/effective defender than MAB.

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06-19-2014, 12:08 PM
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Would take him back if the salary was right. If he came cheap we could just play him in a bottom pairing role. He still has the upside to be a second pairing D.
You know thats not gonna happen with Carlyle running things behind the bench.

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06-19-2014, 12:15 PM
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When Franson is on, he is a god damn beast physically, offensively, and even defensively (see 2013 Playoffs).

When Franson is off, he is the absolute worst, looks like an AHL defenseman. Unfortunately that was the case for most of last season.
This.

I'd do Franson for Gagner.

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Don't really want him back unless he finally understands what he actually is (bottom pairing pp specialist) and gets paid accordingly. He's a nice player to have for sure, but only for the right price in the right role.

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When Franson is on, he is a god damn beast physically, offensively, and even defensively (see 2013 Playoffs).

When Franson is off, he is the absolute worst, looks like an AHL defenseman. Unfortunately that was the case for most of last season.
Franson and defensive beast should never be mentioned together.

In that Boston series, Carlyle was forced to overplay the Phaneuf-Gunnarson pairing because he didn't trust any other Dmen defenisvely which includes Franson.

Franson had an unreal amount of puck luck that series with 3 goals on 15 shots.

As far as the physical side I think it's overstated. Yeah he hits a lot but they aren't heavy hits that intimidate and more often then not he's forced to hit because he's always trying to catch up to the play instead of having the footspeed or a quick stick or good positioning that would have worked better.

Franson can be at best an okay # 4 5 on 5 Dmen, a very good PP option with his wicked shot and shouldn't see time on the PK.

Unfortunately, Franson was asked to do a lot more last season and got exposed for what he really is. Carlyle didn't have a choice and it's better that he put Franson in a tough situation then potentially ruin the development of Gardiner or Rielly by exposing them to those tough situations.

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Good, keep Franson around. He'll bounce back for sure.
He'll do better when actually attending a training camp.
At worst he's #7, best #4

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Typical Leafs Fans, judging Franson in Carlyle's system.

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Typical Leafs Fans, judging Franson in Carlyle's system.
Last time I checked, we still have Carlyle.

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Last time I checked, we still have Carlyle.
Which is why nothing will change under him, so it doesn't matter who the buds bring in.

He's shown to destroy every player with good puck possession stats(Grabo, MacArthur, Kulemin, Gardiner, Clarkson, Franson)

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Franson missed training camp and then hurt his hip early in the year as well, which impacted all facets of his game. He'll most likely rebound in a big way next year, especially if he gets a full training camp.
Yeah think this is pretty big, definition of selling low if they trade him now.

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