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06-21-2014, 03:09 PM
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Most Flyer fans think Ryan is overrated

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OReily/Coots/Read would be the best shutdown line in hockey
Sure would.

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06-21-2014, 03:10 PM
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Coburn and Couturier? Seems like a lot.

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Agreed.

Never had more then 40 points in a season, and has never shown any signs of developing an Offensive game in the NHL, yet still Flyers fans continue to believe and even value him as a 60+ point Center.

He even dropped during his draft year because Scouts doubted his Offensive ability at the NHL level. So far he's only proven these scouts right.


He's ridiculously overrated. ROR was in the same situation as him a few years ago, and Avs fans didnt value him half as much back then as Flyers fans are valuing Couturier.

As overrated as it gets on these boards.
Look at how he is used, played against top lines and lead forwards in SH TOI. 39 points as a 20/21 year old in that situation is very impressive.

ROR didn't have his offensive breakout until his SH TOI dropped significantly.

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06-21-2014, 03:12 PM
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Coburn + Couturier?
LMAO. Keep dreaming there. Couturier is to defense what O'Reilly is too offense .Difference is, Couturier can score if given the chance. You can have Coburn tho.

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LMAO. Keep dreaming there. Couturier is to defense what O'Reilly is too offense .Difference is, Couturier can score if given the chance. You can have Coburn tho.
Are you saying the player who lead the league in takeaways isn't good defensively?

He also scored 64 points.

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06-21-2014, 03:18 PM
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LMAO. Keep dreaming there. Couturier is to defense what O'Reilly is too offense .Difference is, Couturier can score if given the chance. You can have Coburn tho.
Oh boy is this misguided.

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06-21-2014, 03:19 PM
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Agreed.

Never had more then 40 points in a season, and has never shown any signs of developing an Offensive game in the NHL, yet still Flyers fans continue to believe and even value him as a 60+ point Center.

He even dropped during his draft year because Scouts doubted his Offensive ability at the NHL level. So far he's only proven these scouts right.


He's ridiculously overrated. ROR was in the same situation as him a few years ago, and Avs fans didnt value him half as much back then as Flyers fans are valuing Couturier.

As overrated as it gets on these boards.
So does that mean Zibanejad, Huberdeau, Strome, and Scheifele are equally unlikely to develop an offensive game? Give me a break. Couturier has every bit as much as offensive potential as the players above.

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I'd still love to know how the team with the least cap space and still 5 players (really 6 since you get to generously waive Pronger's salary) left to sign is going to fit a player that will require 6.5+ million under the cap but that's just me.

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So does that mean Zibanejad, Huberdeau, Strome, and Scheifele are equally unlikely to develop an offensive game? Give me a break. Couturier has every bit as much as offensive potential as the players above.
Well I'm not entirely sure about that but he does have superior defensive abilities to those guys and is bound to be a great player nevertheless.

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06-21-2014, 03:26 PM
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I'd still love to know how the team with the least cap space and still 5 players (really 6 since you get to generously waive Pronger's salary) left to sign is going to fit a player that will require 6.5+ million under the cap but that's just me.
Flyers got Kimmo for 2m

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I don't think Couturier is a player Avs fans generally covet. He's pretty much never brought up on the Avs forum. It's more that the other options from Flyers in a O'Reilly trade are either not good enough (Schenns, Coburn) or ready yet (Laughton, the defensive prospects). So we end up where he's the only one that's a viable main piece in an O'Reilly trade.

It's very hard to find a good fit between the teams. Flyers are probably better off continuing doing what they are doing instead of giving up what it would take to trade for Ryan O'Reilly.

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06-21-2014, 03:28 PM
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I'd still love to know how the team with the least cap space and still 5 players (really 6 since you get to generously waive Pronger's salary) left to sign is going to fit a player that will require 6.5+ million under the cap but that's just me.
Let's see... Coburn is making 4.5mil and Schenn was making ~3mil... Yeah, I reckon they could do that.

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06-21-2014, 03:33 PM
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I'd still love to know how the team with the least cap space and still 5 players (really 6 since you get to generously waive Pronger's salary) left to sign is going to fit a player that will require 6.5+ million under the cap but that's just me.
Flyers are in no cap trouble, they only need to resign Schenn and sign a backup goalie for under a million.

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LMAO. Keep dreaming there. Couturier is to defense what O'Reilly is too offense .Difference is, Couturier can score if given the chance. You can have Coburn tho.
What does this even mean? I'm particularly interested in what you mean by the bolded.

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Couturier is super overrated.

As a NYR fan, I've seen him a lot

He's very good on the defensive side of the puck, though.

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I think a team would be wise to offersheet for him. The Flyers, Devils, Rangers and Islanders could use a talent like him.

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06-21-2014, 04:17 PM
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I think a team would be wise to offersheet for him. The Flyers, Devils, Rangers and Islanders could use a talent like him.
Please offersheet at 7x6mil

O'Reilly would refuse though I guess...

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LMAO. Keep dreaming there. Couturier is to defense what O'Reilly is too offense .Difference is, Couturier can score if given the chance. You can have Coburn tho.
Brilliant analogy...except O'Reilly is every bit as good as Couturier defensively and unlike Couturier who CAN score and CAN put up big points, he HAS.

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A 60+ points forward vs a forward who's never hit more than 40 points a year.
ROR didn't hit 60 points till his fifth year. Couturier has only played 3 seasons.

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Agreed.

Never had more then 40 points in a season, and has never shown any signs of developing an Offensive game in the NHL, yet still Flyers fans continue to believe and even value him as a 60+ point Center.

He even dropped during his draft year because Scouts doubted his Offensive ability at the NHL level. So far he's only proven these scouts right.


He's ridiculously overrated. ROR was in the same situation as him a few years ago, and Avs fans didnt value him half as much back then as Flyers fans are valuing Couturier.

As overrated as it gets on these boards.
This is as ignorant a post as you will find on these boards. Couturier actually produced more ES points in less ES ice time than players like Kesler, Staal and Plekanec this year.

Couturier's 1,179:01 ES TOI, 31 ESP, +1 is close to or better than these players in even strength scoring.

Zajac, 1,265:06, 33 ESP, +3

Ennis 1,245:45, 27 ESP, -25

Backstrom 1,243:08, 34 ESP, -20

Kesler 1,241:02, 26 ESP, -15

Jordan Staal 1,235:38, 26 ESP, +2

Zubrus 1,230:36, 26 ESP, +1

B Richards 1,228:14, 32 ESP, -8

Killorn 1,206:00, 33 ESP, +8

Plekanec 1,205:43, 30 ESP, +11
Gionta 1,200:12, 32 ESP, +1

Vrbata 1,180:00 ES TOI, 30 ESP, - 6
Vermette 1,192:50, 29 ESP, Even

D Sedin 1,175:09, 29 ESP, Even

Kadri 1,159:16, 32 ESP, -11

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ROR didn't hit 60 points till his fifth year. Couturier has only played 3 seasons.
O'Reilly had 55 points his third NHL season.

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If the goal of trading Ryan O'Reilly is to get a premier defensman back, this would be a godawful deal for Colorado.

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ROR - 107 points in his first 236 games = 0.453 PPG

Couturier - 81 points in his first 205 games = 0.395 PPG

There's not a huge gap there.

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Brilliant analogy...except O'Reilly is every bit as good as Couturier defensively and unlike Couturier who CAN score and CAN put up big points, he HAS.


Potential > actual production, bro.

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O'Reilly had 55 points his third NHL season.
Having McClement and Winnik was great for taking some of ROR's defensive burden that year. Both players took some of the extra D zone starts, so ROR could get additional offensive opportunity.

Last year for the Flyers, Couturier had no one else to support him. It's why Flyers fans would like to see Goc or Ott (or McClement) signed and Laughton come up, so we can finally allot some of that offensive opportunity to Couturier.

That's not to say Couturier would have put up 55 points last year, but with some additional support on the defensive end of things, Couturier could very well have been in the 45-50 range.

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