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06-23-2014, 05:54 PM
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People hating on Emelin because the coaching staff is too dumb to play him on his natural side?

He lose at least 25% efficiency on the right side and cant pivot properly on the outside.



Now you sound like an Ottawa fan.

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Gionta close to re-signing? Please God no. I will stab myself in the testicles on live webcam if it happens.

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Gionta close to re-signing? Please God no. I will stab myself in the testicles on live webcam if it happens.

http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey...kov-gionta.php
You won't be the only one, a lot of people here are gonna freak out. It will happen since the team likes him and the players also. I guess we'll have to live with him for another year at least.

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Gionta close to re-signing? Please God no. I will stab myself in the testicles on live webcam if it happens.

http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey...kov-gionta.php
Hum don't forget to put that vid on Live Leak kthxbye

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Anyone you can find who brings what gionta brings would be more expensive. Where is this young 3rd liner who can put up 40 points while playing a shutdown role?
*While attempting to play a shutdown role

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06-23-2014, 06:37 PM
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Gorges was such a stud in last year playoff... not sure I want to move him, and his cap hit isnt that bad for a #4 dman IMO
Agreed but, Gorges IS NOT a #4 D-Man!

He can play minutes if needed, is a solid PK specialist but, has absolutely no transition game to his arsenal and is as physical as a guinea pig. He is a team player, though….

Gorges has more value on the trade front for precisely the same reasons than he does for the team at 4 Million per….

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Anyone you can find who brings what gionta brings would be more expensive. Where is this young 3rd liner who can put up 40 points while playing a shutdown role?
Except those 40 pts were from playing 1st line ice time, with 3rd line duty he'll be 25-30 and will continue to decline. He's an ok defensive forward but struggles to get pucks out of the zone especially along the boards at the point and will always be the weak link in any cycle ensuring continued struggles in the puck possession battle

I really think Bournival can replace him and move Bourque to RW with Eller

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06-23-2014, 07:04 PM
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Except those 40 pts were from playing 1st line ice time, with 3rd line duty he'll be 25-30 and will continue to decline. He's an ok defensive forward but struggles to get pucks out of the zone especially along the boards at the point and will always be the weak link in any cycle ensuring continued struggles in the puck possession battle

I really think Bournival can replace him and move Bourque to RW with Eller
You need to qualify exactly what '1st line minutes' means to you.

Gionta and pleks were always matched against the other team's best. They were also the guys who started their shifts in the defensive zone the most on the team. These things will destroy anyone's offensive totals.

I wouldn't want him on my main two-way line, unless there was another big time two-way winger there to help pleks, like maxpac, for example. I also wouldn't give him PP time, there are better options. But people pretending that Gionta wouldn't be great as a third liner next to Eller playing secondary toughs is completely out to lunch.

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You need to qualify exactly what '1st line minutes' means to you.

Gionta and pleks were always matched against the other team's best. They were also the guys who started their shifts in the defensive zone the most on the team. These things will destroy anyone's offensive totals.

I wouldn't want him on my main two-way line, unless there was another big time two-way winger there to help pleks, like maxpac, for example. I also wouldn't give him PP time, there are better options. But people pretending that Gionta wouldn't be great as a third liner next to Eller playing secondary toughs is completely out to lunch.
...again, you know the problem with that is Therrien WILL give him Pleks and 2nd PP minutes if we resign him...you know that...we all know that...Therrien's shown his hand there already (rewatch the Rangers series)...if we are going to successfully move on from Top 6 Gionta, which we all agree we must do, we need to not have Gionta here...else Therrien reverts to his old habits...

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06-23-2014, 07:18 PM
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...again, you know the problem with that is Therrien WILL give him Pleks and 2nd PP minutes if we resign him...you know that...we all know that...Therrien's shown his hand there already (rewatch the Rangers series)...if we are going to successfully move on from Top 6 Gionta, which we all agree we must do, we need to not have Gionta here...else Therrien reverts to his old habits...
....then the problem isn't the player. Whoever you get to replace him will be misused, by your logic. That's not even close to being a well thought out solution.

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You need to qualify exactly what '1st line minutes' means to you.

Gionta and pleks were always matched against the other team's best. They were also the guys who started their shifts in the defensive zone the most on the team. These things will destroy anyone's offensive totals.

I wouldn't want him on my main two-way line, unless there was another big time two-way winger there to help pleks, like maxpac, for example. I also wouldn't give him PP time, there are better options. But people pretending that Gionta wouldn't be great as a third liner next to Eller playing secondary toughs is completely out to lunch.
Out to lunch is a pretty big stretch, I'd expect a drop off of 4-5 mins a game, no PP, a lesser skilled C and a downhill slide in performance, and a guy that drastically restricts the line juggling MT can do

I expect we'll have to pay 3 x $3.5MM to get him back, I just think that's not money well spent for that and would rather invest that into Top 6/4

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Gionta close to re-signing? Please God no. I will stab myself in the testicles on live webcam if it happens.

http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey...kov-gionta.php
Kind of want this to happen now.

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....then the problem isn't the player. Whoever you get to replace him will be misused, by your logic. That's not even close to being a well thought out solution.
...half the problem is Therrien; you know my opinion of our beloved coach...however, that doesn't make Gionta any less replaceable on the 3rd line, which he is...Kulemin, Winnik and Ott are all upgrades on a 3rd line Gionta, IMO...all three are younger, bigger, healthier options to have on a secondary two-way line with Eller and Bork...Top 6 Gionta is done...3rd line Gionta is a waste when guys better suited to 3rd line play are available...all that's left is taking Briere with him...

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Schenn re-signed for 2 years at 5 mil. Should be the ceiling for Eller, no way he should get more than Schenn...

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Team's #4 defenceman by TOI/G

Anaheim: Hampus Lindholm
Boston: Johnny Boychuk
Buffalo: Mark Pysyk
Calgary: Dennis Wideman
Carolina: JM Liles
Chicago: Johnny Oduya
Colorado: Nick Holden
Columbus: Ryan Murray
Dallas: Stephane Robidas
Detroit: Kyle Quincey
Edmonton: Martin Marincin
Florida: Mike Weaver (...)
LA: Jake Muzzin
Minnesota: Christian Folin
Montréal: Alexei Emelin (Gorges just ahead)
Nashville: Kevin Klein
New Jersey: Jon Merill
Islanders: Lubomir Visnovsky
Rangers: Anton Stralman
Ottawa: Chris Phillips
Philly: Kimmo Timonen
Phoenix: Derek Morris
Pittsburgh: Brooks Orpik
San Jose: Jason Demers
St.Louis: Barrett Jackman
Tampa Bay: Eric Brewer
Toronto: Cal Gunnarsson
Vancouver: Jason Garrison
Washington: Dimitry Orlov
Winnipeg: Mark Stuart

I wouldnt trade Emelin nor Gorges for half of these guys... so not really sure how one can argue they arent #4 dman....

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Schenn re-signed for 2 years at 5 mil. Should be the ceiling for Eller, no way he should get more than Schenn...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Schenn will still be an RFA after his two years (bridge deal) whereas Eller would be a UFA after two years. That's his only real bargaining chip to get more. Honestly I expect anywhere between 2.5 - 3.25 for 2 - 4 years.

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Gionta close to re-signing? Please God no. I will stab myself in the testicles on live webcam if it happens.

http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey...kov-gionta.php
You might consider a Kebab recipe while you're at it.

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Wouldn't be surprised if Emelin were shipped to Edmonton for Perron or another winger...
I remember watching T-Mac talk highly of him when he was an analyst on TSN

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I'd rather move Gorges. Emelin can actually move the puck. If Therrien doesn't want to dress the rookies we'll be helpless when Markov/Subban aren't on ice or get injured.

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Team's #4 defenceman by TOI/G

Anaheim: Hampus Lindholm
Boston: Johnny Boychuk
Buffalo: Mark Pysyk
Calgary: Dennis Wideman
Carolina: JM Liles
Chicago: Johnny Oduya
Colorado: Nick Holden
Columbus: Ryan Murray
Dallas: Stephane Robidas
Detroit: Kyle Quincey
Edmonton: Martin Marincin
Florida: Mike Weaver (...)
LA: Jake Muzzin
Minnesota: Christian Folin
Montréal: Alexei Emelin (Gorges just ahead)
Nashville: Kevin Klein
New Jersey: Jon Merill
Islanders: Lubomir Visnovsky
Rangers: Anton Stralman
Ottawa: Chris Phillips
Philly: Kimmo Timonen
Phoenix: Derek Morris
Pittsburgh: Brooks Orpik
San Jose: Jason Demers
St.Louis: Barrett Jackman
Tampa Bay: Eric Brewer
Toronto: Cal Gunnarsson
Vancouver: Jason Garrison
Washington: Dimitry Orlov
Winnipeg: Mark Stuart

I wouldnt trade Emelin nor Gorges for half of these guys... so not really sure how one can argue they arent #4 dman....
This is very interesting...i see a few that are close...all contenders.....although they dont have guy like gorges getting the minutes he is...love him....but thats gotta change

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Agreed but, Gorges IS NOT a #4 D-Man!

He can play minutes if needed, is a solid PK specialist but, has absolutely no transition game to his arsenal and is as physical as a guinea pig. He is a team player, though….

Gorges has more value on the trade front for precisely the same reasons than he does for the team at 4 Million per….
You base this on what? It's a ridiculous comment when he's gotten #3 minutes the last 3 years and played very well. You're too obsessed with flash and dash and underrate dramatically guys that just do their job and do it effectively.

Last 3 years 22:38, 21:23 and 21:15. +24 over that period(including the 2011-12 mess), blocks shots, kills penalities and makes very few mistakes. Strong leader and puts up his 15-20 points a year. At 3.9 mil it's a good contract that a lot of teams would take as #3-4 guy.

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Team's #4 defenceman by TOI/G

Anaheim: Hampus Lindholm
Boston: Johnny Boychuk
Buffalo: Mark Pysyk
Calgary: Dennis Wideman
Carolina: JM Liles
Chicago: Johnny Oduya
Colorado: Nick Holden
Columbus: Ryan Murray
Dallas: Stephane Robidas
Detroit: Kyle Quincey
Edmonton: Martin Marincin
Florida: Mike Weaver (...)
LA: Jake Muzzin
Minnesota: Christian Folin
Montréal: Alexei Emelin (Gorges just ahead)
Nashville: Kevin Klein
New Jersey: Jon Merill
Islanders: Lubomir Visnovsky
Rangers: Anton Stralman
Ottawa: Chris Phillips
Philly: Kimmo Timonen
Phoenix: Derek Morris
Pittsburgh: Brooks Orpik
San Jose: Jason Demers
St.Louis: Barrett Jackman
Tampa Bay: Eric Brewer
Toronto: Cal Gunnarsson
Vancouver: Jason Garrison
Washington: Dimitry Orlov
Winnipeg: Mark Stuart

I wouldnt trade Emelin nor Gorges for half of these guys... so not really sure how one can argue they arent #4 dman....
You have a LOT of nerve bringing facts and reality into this discussion...

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According to Jean-François Plante of LeDroit, Pascal Vincent could be replacing Gallant. Eeeeesh.

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You base this on what? It's a ridiculous comment when he's gotten #3 minutes the last 3 years and played very well. You're too obsessed with flash and dash and underrate dramatically guys that just do their job and do it effectively.

Last 3 years 22:38, 21:23 and 21:15. +24 over that period(including the 2011-12 mess), blocks shots, kills penalities and makes very few mistakes. Strong leader and puts up his 15-20 points a year. At 3.9 mil it's a good contract that a lot of teams would take as #3-4 guy.
I think having one of the best 1-2 D in the league makes the drop off to our 3-4 look worse than it really is

I'd consider moving Gorges or Emelin for a Top 6 W if we were able to sign a good RHD (Fayne or Bellemore) through UFA otherwise we don't have anyone that can take their minutes next season

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