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06-26-2014, 08:22 PM
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If poo walks would anyone be interested in signing Molson? Sure he's more expensive buts he's a upgrade
Price would be too high but big time replacement for sure

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06-26-2014, 08:24 PM
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Would rather just let Miller have that spot and try to improve at center or grab an offensive d or stralman. Winger is kind of the least of our worries.

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06-26-2014, 08:25 PM
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That's part of what makes the best possession players the best, it's not just how they defend the puck when they have it.

Look at that dream team Inferno posted, half of the team excellent two-way players including several perennial Selke candidates.

Tell me that team wouldn't be a lock for a deep playoff run every year, and most likely several 'Cups?
Im sure it would.

I also don't know how Anton Stralman could be mistaken as anywhere near those caliber of players.

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06-26-2014, 08:30 PM
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Im sure it would.

I also don't know how Anton Stralman could be mistaken as anywhere near those caliber of players.
The same statistics that say those guys are elite say that Stralman is also awesome.

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This.

He's also a trade asset if McIlrath is ready to play as well.

Still want to find out if Allen is able to take Staal's minutes, but who knows if/when that can happen.

I see discussion of Kristo to replace Poo, but what about Haggarty? I know he has no pro experience but he was killer on the PP for RPI
I don't think the Rangers have a ready made top 4 D in the line up that can step in outside of Kevin Klein. JMoore is a kid that people were hyping up when he was acquired but after 40+ games its safe to say that everyone that's followed him knows that the brains just aren't there.

If Moore didn't come into camp underweight he might have handled the 3rd-4th line competition a little better, but he isn't pushing out Marc Staal. Conor Allen imo can step in and play very well on the 3rd pair. Unlike Moore, he won't turn the puck over when feeling pressured.

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06-26-2014, 08:31 PM
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That's not a lot? The Rangers had over 7,000 shot attempts for and against at 5-on-5 this season. A 12% difference in corsi-for will mean another 900 shots for as opposed to against. That is a big difference.
Thats good. Its also good that they have players that turn those shot attempts into just that...attempts.

The 12% difference is between the absolute best and absolute worst teams in the league. Theres not that type of real estate between Stralman and Girardi. Not even close. Yet a lot of people point to Corsi as the reason Stralman is a better player, which I think is false.

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06-26-2014, 08:33 PM
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The same statistics that say those guys are elite say that Stralman is also awesome.
Well thats strange, because I'd like every single player on that list and dozens upon dozens more over Stralman.

Could it be that some things go beyond possession statistics? Especially for a guy whos NHL career was almost over just a couple years ago?

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06-26-2014, 08:36 PM
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Thats good. Its also good that they have players that turn those shot attempts into just that...attempts.

The 12% difference is between the absolute best and absolute worst teams in the league. Theres not that type of real estate between Stralman and Girardi. Not even close. Yet a lot of people point to Corsi as the reason Stralman is a better player, which I think is false.
There's a 6.6 raw corsi difference between Stralman and Girardi. Dan's corsi numbers are greatly aided by McDonagh. Stralman really is better than Girardi. You can accept that or not, but that's what the data says. We're not talking about a small gap here.

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Well thats strange, because I'd like every single player on that list and dozens upon dozens more over Stralman.

Could it be that some things go beyond possession statistics? Especially for a guy whos NHL career was almost over just a couple years ago?
If you're taking that many people ahead of Stralman, it's possible that you're not as good an analyst of hockey talent as you think you are.

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06-26-2014, 08:38 PM
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I like Stralman, but he's never had to deal with a workload like Girardi's. How would Stralman fare if he to play around 27 minutes or so every game? Girardi can also pot 25-30 points, while Stralman can only seem to put up around 10-15 points now.

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06-26-2014, 08:41 PM
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There's a 6.6 raw corsi difference between Stralman and Girardi. Dan's corsi numbers are greatly aided by McDonagh. Stralman really is better than Girardi. You can accept that or not, but that's what the data says. We're not talking about a small gap here.



If you're taking that many people ahead of Stralman, it's possible that you're not as good an analyst of hockey talent as you think you are.
Its just strange then how Stralman isn't commanding $6M+ yearly on the open market. And how both Ranger coaches, who play polar opposite styles, have slotted Girardi ahead of Stralman in every conceivable hockey situation.

I guess all these people who get paid to make these decisions are as dumb as I am, and aren't staring at a couple of #'s like you.

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Its just strange then how Stralman isn't commanding $6M+ yearly on the open market. And how both Ranger coaches, who play polar opposite styles, have slotted Girardi ahead of Stralman in every conceivable hockey situation.

I guess all these people who get paid to make these decisions are as dumb as I am, and aren't staring at a couple of #'s like you.
You spend all year complaining about how dumb the Rangers decision makers are, now they're the reason you're right in this case?

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06-26-2014, 08:45 PM
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I like Stralman, but he's never had to deal with a workload like Girardi's. How would Stralman fare if he to play around 27 minutes or so every game? Girardi can also pot 25-30 points, while Stralman can only seem to put up around 10-15 points now.
Why would he need to play in Girardi's spot? And who else on the roster would be more fitting to step up if G got injured? Klein?

If Stralman signs he will remain on the second pair. He averaged 19+ minutes in the regular season and 21+ in the playoffs.

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06-26-2014, 08:46 PM
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Its just strange then how Stralman isn't commanding $6M+ yearly on the open market. And how both Ranger coaches, who play polar opposite styles, have slotted Girardi ahead of Stralman in every conceivable hockey situation.

I guess all these people who get paid to make these decisions are as dumb as I am, and aren't staring at a couple of #'s like you.
Has a lot to do with overvalued and undervalued skill sets on the open market.

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06-26-2014, 08:49 PM
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You spend all year complaining about how dumb the Rangers decision makers are, now they're the reason you're right in this case?
Ive been pretty lenient on the coaches who, again, trust Girardi a helluva lot more than Stralman.

The annual # for Stralman being tossed around is $4 - 4.5M. Maybe he'll get 5M somewhere. We are talking about every hockey executive in the league here. If Stralman is so "awesome" you'd figure he'd command more, no?

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The decision makers absolutely pay attention to and hold in high-regard advanced stats. It is part of decisions.

They use all available data, scouting reports, so on and so forth.

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The decision makers absolutely pay attention to and hold in high-regard advanced stats. It is part of decisions.

They use all available data, scouting reports, so on and so forth.
The bolded is important.

John Lennon up there seems to think "the data" is the end-all, be-all.

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Ive been pretty lenient on the coaches who, again, trust Girardi a helluva lot more than Stralman.

The annual # for Stralman being tossed around is $4 - 4.5M. Maybe he'll get 5M somewhere. We are talking about every hockey executive in the league here. If Stralman is so "awesome" you'd figure he'd command more, no?
Yes. I trust GMs free agent decision making 100%.

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06-26-2014, 08:54 PM
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That team would look something like this..

Thornton -Kopitar- Hossa
Sharp -Bergeron- Marchand
Riley Smith - Toews - Williams
Saad - Carter - King

Muzzin - Doughty
Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Vlasic


I had to move some people around to make it fit into your narrative.

I dunno, you tell me, does that look like a strong team? Perhaps an unbeatable team?

Sure does to me.
That'd be a hell of a team.

But they'd still only possess the puck between 50 and 60 percent of the time and need to defend without it.

EDIT: And some of the players' Corsi ratings would go down because of that fact, and they would be viewed as liabilities.

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Yes. I trust GMs free agent decision making 100%.
If only you could be a GM and break the bank for Anton Stralman. You'd be on a gravy train with biscuit wheels.

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That'd be a hell of a team.

But they'd still only possess the puck between 50 and 60 percent of the time and need to defend without it.

EDIT: And some of the players' Corsi ratings would go down because of that fact, and they would be viewed as liabilities.
only... LOL

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If only you could be a GM and break the bank for Anton Stralman. You'd be on a gravy train with biscuit wheels.
If only you could be the GM and not make the mistake of qualifying Zuccarello.

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This is absurd. Not only is Stralman better than Girardi, but now it's not even a small gap between the players?

THE SKY IS FALLING! ANTON STRALMAN IS LEAVING THE RANGERS! How will we ever replace his masterful puck possession skills??????????

10th seed for sure without him. We're screwed. Why bother watching next year. There is just no possible way to replace Stralman, at all. Girardi is garbage. We should trade him for a 7th and sign Stralman. Stralman will win a Norris. He makes everyone around him better. He's clearly the best defenseman on the team. Even McDonagh gets better when he plays with him. Everyone does. He's better than Giradi, who has been a first pairing D forever now, and he CARRIES Staal, who's washed up and is lucky to be playing with a player the caliber of Stralman.


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only... LOL
Yes only. You're the expert and I respect your posts. What is generally the highest percentage each year?

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You spend all year complaining about how dumb the Rangers decision makers are, now they're the reason you're right in this case?
This is also the same guy who said that this team would fail at playing a fast transition system and that tortorella was right to play a dumbed down defense system.... he had no choice

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Would rather just let Miller have that spot and try to improve at center or grab an offensive d or stralman. Winger is kind of the least of our worries.
Agree.

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