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06-28-2014, 06:36 PM
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What do you guys think of Jared Stoll as being a comparable?

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He's around 6-2 195 and will likely end up around 205-210 at his peak.
That is solid size for a C or W.
He is going to be a solid player and he will likely get a lot better at skating. It's not as if he is terrible at it.
He measured 6'0.25" at the combine.

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06-29-2014, 12:10 AM
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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling

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06-29-2014, 12:18 AM
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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
Landeskog is a 4th line . grinder same with Ror

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06-29-2014, 12:41 AM
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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
Oh that's crap. I know for a fact many of those picking behind us specifically Chicago, Boston and Montreal fans wanted him. Just search his name on twitter.

And if they can pencil him in as on our second or third line in the future I'm thrilled. That's what they need. I'm not expecting dynamic offense from him, it's not why he was drafted.


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06-29-2014, 12:47 AM
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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
Much like Stastny and O'Reilly fell because of concerns over their skating, Bleackley fell because of his skating. Pracey didn't seem to think it was something that was going to be an issue as far as playing in the NHL. This guy is already very strong, hasn't had much pro style training and has a good work ethic.

Apart from that he seems to have a lot of the qualities that scouts, coaches and fans get really excited about.

We'll see. Pracey seems to really like Bleackley and I trust his spidey sense so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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06-29-2014, 01:00 AM
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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
If he became a valuable 3rd liner, I'll take it for the 23rd overall pick in a average (at best) draft. We actually could use more players like that.

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06-29-2014, 01:06 AM
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If he became a valuable 3rd liner, I'll take it for the 23rd overall pick in a average (at best) draft. We actually could use more players like that.
i agree.

valuable 3rd liners that can fill in for top 6 are going to cost close to 5 mil these days.

this kid will be on ELC for 3 years and then under 2 mil for 2-3 years.

that's a lot of money (and risk) saved.

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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
Is that bad?

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If he became a valuable 3rd liner, I'll take it for the 23rd overall pick in a average (at best) draft. We actually could use more players like that.
Kings bottom six this year had a bunch of guys drafted in the first and second round. Lewis (#17), Pearson (#30), Clifford (#35) and Stoll (#36). It's probably not fair to count Richards (#24) since he's a broken down top six guy.

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He measured 6'0.25" at the combine.
Eh, 6-0 vs 6-2 isn't that bad. I was looking at a draft profile that listed him as 6-2.
Still, if he can hold 205-210 he will be fine size wise.

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06-29-2014, 02:33 AM
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Is that bad?
Fans of all teams tend to believe that their 1st rounder is a future 1st liner. It' very, very rarely the case, especially past #10.

If Bleackley becomes a reliable 2nd or 3rd liner it would be a huge success. Statistically speaking, a #23 pick has less than 50% chance to even make it to the NHL.

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23rd Overall NHL Draft Picks
Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By
2013 Andre Burakovsky LW Malmo (SWE) Washington Capitals
2012 Michael Matheson D Dubuque (USHL) Florida Panthers
2011 Joseph Morrow D Portland (WHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2010 Mark Pysyk D Edmonton (WHL) Buffalo Sabres
2009 Tim Erixon D Skelleftea (Swe) Calgary Flames
2008 Tyler Cuma D Ottawa (OHL) Minnesota Wild
2007 Jon Blum D Vancouver (WHL) Nashville Predators
2006 Semen Varlamov G Russia Washington Capitals
2005 Nicklas Bergfors W Sodertalje SK (SEL) New Jersey Devils
2004 Andrej Meszaros D Dukla Trencin (Slovak) Ottawa Senators
2003 Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University (NCAA) Vancouver Canucks
2002 Ben Eager LW Oshawa Generals (OHL) Phoenix Coyotes
2001 Tim Gleason D Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Nathan Smith C Swift Current Broncos (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1999 Steve McCarthy D Kootenay Ice (WHL) Chicago Blackhawks
kesler, varly and gleason.. then too-early-to-tell's and lot of crap.

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kesler, varly and gleason.. then too-early-to-tell's and lot of crap.
Did Varly change the spelling of his first name? Not that I'd blame him.

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06-29-2014, 04:10 AM
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Picks 16-30 from years 05 to 09: (total 75)

Elite players: Rask, Oshie, Giroux, Varlamov, Pacioretty, Eberle, Carlson

Contributors: Hanzal, Cogliano, Niskanen, Downie, C. Stewart, Berglund, Foligno, Backlund, Perron, Gardiner, Sbisa, Ennis, Leddy, Kreider, Johansson

So You're Saying There's A Chance: Cherepanov, Cole, B. Smith, Colborne, Del Zotto, Rundblad, J. Moore, Schroeder, Erixon, Palmieri, Despres

Elite Rate: 9.3%
Contributor rate: 29.3%


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Picks 16-30 from years 05 to 09: (total 75)

Elite players: Rask, Oshie, Giroux, Varlamov, Pacioretty, Eberle, Carlson

Contributors: Hanzal, Cogliano, Niskanen, Downie, C. Stewart, Berglund, Foligno, Backlund, Perron, Gardiner, Sbisa, Ennis, Leddy, Kreider, Johansson

So You're Saying There's A Chance: Cherepanov, Cole, B. Smith, Colborne, Del Zotto, Rundblad, J. Moore, Schroeder, Erixon, Palmieri, Despres

Elite Rate: 9.3%
Contributor rate: 29.3%


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dead player has chance to become contributor?

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Picks 16-30 from years 05 to 09: (total 75)

Elite players: Rask, Oshie, Giroux, Varlamov, Pacioretty, Eberle, Carlson

Contributors: Hanzal, Cogliano, Niskanen, Downie, C. Stewart, Berglund, Foligno, Backlund, Perron, Gardiner, Sbisa, Ennis, Leddy, Kreider, Johansson

So You're Saying There's A Chance: Cherepanov, Cole, B. Smith, Colborne, Del Zotto, Rundblad, J. Moore, Schroeder, Erixon, Palmieri, Despres

Elite Rate: 9.3%
Contributor rate: 29.3%


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Oh no

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Did Varly change the spelling of his first name? Not that I'd blame him.
Yes. The American version of his first name was changed.

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Yes. The American version of his first name was changed.
He should use the Cyrillic.

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Everyone outside of Avs fandom is saying this guy is a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd. Sounds like our expectations should be tempered a bit. But it does sound like he's got all the "intangibles" they have been going for lately that could help him exceed his ceiling
The vast majority of first round picks don't even make the NHL. If we get a 3C/2RW out of this guy, which is where I see his upside, I'm happy with the pick. I preferred Scherbak who has 1st line upside in my view but I think we still made a good pick.

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First, let me admit that Youtube highlight packages are just about the worst way to scout any player. But, oversimplified observations... Most of his impact in the game is shown 'on the rush' but a lot of these highlight packages seem to be that way. I don't see a lot of possession per se. Skates hunched like a Drury/Ville Niemenen or the more modern comparison David Jones. Long strides, probably good top end speed which is why his production is showing scoring chances with speed through the neutral zone mostly in these videos.

I like his hands and his deliberate shot placement. Those can translate to the NHL for sure. Not a quick release but he leans in to most shots. I'll definitively keep an eye on those hands in training camp and how he handles a NHL pass. Too many prospects/rookies fumble, peek or dust off passes at the NHL level. He just looks like he's got that elite level puck skill when it comes to taking and delivering the pass.

Safe picks are a good spot for the Avs to be in for their forward crew. They might have to take flyers to find a top 4 D, which looks like what they did with Wood. Not a dynamic pick but I think the Avs are in good shape to not need to do that.

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The vast majority of first round picks don't even make the NHL. If we get a 3C/2RW out of this guy, which is where I see his upside, I'm happy with the pick. I preferred Scherbak who has 1st line upside in my view but I think we still made a good pick.
actually almost all 1st round picks make the nhl just not all of them stick or become impact players.

from the 2008 draft 26/30 made the nhl but of the 26 who made it 5 are out of the nhl already

2009 29/30 have played in the nhl and 28/30 played this year

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