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06-30-2014, 03:57 PM
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Holland traded Järnkrok, Eaves and a 2nd for Legwand and Holland will not be signing Legwand. It happens. Sucks that Klein is gone and it sucks that Del Zotto didn't work out, but it happens.

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06-30-2014, 04:00 PM
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06-30-2014, 04:05 PM
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This one stings for me because I was against the trade from the get go. Definitely a mark on Poile's record. That said, at least he admitted this trade was a mistake and didn't try to force it.

Unfortunately, situations like this are a side-effect of being aggressive and proactive, something Poile is finally starting to do.

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06-30-2014, 04:06 PM
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How many times is cooper going to tweet "but it was a trade worth making"? The world may never know.

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What a freaking horrendous trade. Just awful awful awful. We essentially GAVE a first round pick away, at bare minimum.

Well down David.

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06-30-2014, 05:28 PM
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It was worth making at the time. The team needed to shore up its left side. There were some obvious holes or weaknesses on a roster that, when healthy, was not in need of a rebuild. It just need some spots here and there fixed, and then a revamping of the top six. Getting a LHD with the ability to move the puck wasn't a bad idea. It just happened that MDZ may not be able to hack it.

It sucks losing a trade, but I understand why it was made to begin with.

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06-30-2014, 05:30 PM
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I disagree. You could understand the thought process, but it was doomed from the beginning. A non-thinking offensive defenseman. Doomed in Trotz's system. Add in Jones, Josi, Ellis, Weber ... I mean come on...

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06-30-2014, 05:45 PM
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Poile has been on the better end of most trades lately.

Most don't win them all.

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06-30-2014, 05:55 PM
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What a freaking horrendous trade. Just awful awful awful. We essentially GAVE a first round pick away, at bare minimum.

Well down David.
And we essentially just traded away the last pick in a draft for a proven goal scorer. You win some you lose some, just be glad that Poile usually is on the winning end of these deals.

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06-30-2014, 06:03 PM
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He has done well in several trades recently, but this one was a gigantic miscalculation from the get go.

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06-30-2014, 06:10 PM
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Could be wrong but one theory might be that Poile found a better/safer/cheaper alternative to MDZ in the run up to free agency. His QO was high if you view him as a 3rd pairing guy and need extra $$$ to sign some nameless top line center guy.

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06-30-2014, 06:14 PM
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Rough but not unexpected. I am sure we could've moved him for a pick though at the draft… ah well. Not too butt hurt about this.

We need a second pairing D man now. christian ehrhoff willie mitchell or anton volchenkov highlight my list

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06-30-2014, 06:22 PM
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Poile has been on the better end of most trades lately.

Most don't win them all.
I agree. Turned out bad but can't win 'em all.
He's done ok so far fishing for offense.

Besides, I'd rather have the $$ available and overpay a little on a 1C than overpay a 3rd pairing Dman.

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06-30-2014, 06:27 PM
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I'm pretty unhappy about this whole situation, but whether I end up ok with it or very pissed off depends on how much of that 15mil we spend tomorrow. If we use the savings here to acquire good players, great. If not, we just pissed away Kevin Klein for literally nothing.

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06-30-2014, 06:34 PM
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Klein isn't a top pairing defenseman though. He's a very good number 4, but before he was traded he was practically everyone's favorite whipping boy around here.
Klein is playing 3rd pair in New York.

He is for sure a solid, serviceable NHL defenseman but he is no superstar, he's not a puck mover nor is he a big physical defenseman, and the fact that he signed a 7 year deal at 2.9 means he and his agent both knew what his ceiling was.

Now, make no mistake, this was BAD asset management by Poile, and whoever scouted MDZ and sold him to Poile as a trade target should be called to account, but we were never getting a scoring forward for Klein, or Klein plus our first. And I disagree with Enoch I don't think Klein would have fetched a 1st round pick even at the deadline last year. A second, or a 3rd and a prospect at most.

Put one tally in the "Bad move, Poile" column and move on.

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06-30-2014, 06:46 PM
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This was bound to happen. Del Zotto was underwhelming, and his qualifying offer was way too high. We should be able to find a very useful defenseman for that money. Ekholm could move up and take that spot while we add someone for the third pairing.

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06-30-2014, 06:56 PM
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At the time it seemed like a good trade but it didn't work. We didn't get Klein for nothing we did get MDZ we just didn't resign him. Poile was willing to resign MDZ but not at 2.9M and I don't blame him. No other team thought he was worth that either so he couldn't get a trade. He has talent but a major attitude problem. He never wanted to be here so let him go. Hopefully we'll be able to pick up a 3rd pairing D man in FA.

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06-30-2014, 06:59 PM
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restores my faith in this board that we aren't having a bunch of "Poile should be fired on the spot for this!!" posts…

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restores my faith in this board that we aren't having a bunch of "Poile should be fired on the spot for this!!" posts…
I'll forgive him if he finds a comparable replacement in free agency

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06-30-2014, 07:17 PM
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At the time it seemed like a good trade but it didn't work. We didn't get Klein for nothing we did get MDZ we just didn't resign him. Poile was willing to resign MDZ but not at 2.9M and I don't blame him. No other team thought he was worth that either so he couldn't get a trade. He has talent but a major attitude problem. He never wanted to be here so let him go. Hopefully we'll be able to pick up a 3rd pairing D man in FA.
Where did you hear anything about attitude problems or him not wanting to be here?

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06-30-2014, 07:42 PM
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Its like this we had Jones, Weber and Josi all big shots playing top 4. For some reaosn the front office thought is a good idea to trade away the lone guy we had playing top 4 that was a true stay at home defenseman. Getting a guy that was doomed to be uncapable of matching the offensive talent of the 3 already in the top three. Therefore we lose a nice piece and a good guy on the team. He has a good family as well met his mom the first time he came to rookie camp. Spoke with her at camp a few other times so yeah im not happy with the way this worked out. I was one of the few that did not like this the first day the trade happened and im sure there are those who hate I was right.

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06-30-2014, 07:57 PM
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Its like this we had Jones, Weber and Josi all big shots playing top 4. For some reaosn the front office thought is a good idea to trade away the lone guy we had playing top 4 that was a true stay at home defenseman. Getting a guy that was doomed to be uncapable of matching the offensive talent of the 3 already in the top three. Therefore we lose a nice piece and a good guy on the team. He has a good family as well met his mom the first time he came to rookie camp. Spoke with her at camp a few other times so yeah im not happy with the way this worked out. I was one of the few that did not like this the first day the trade happened and im sure there are those who hate I was right.
as good a guy and teammate as Klein was he was only the 4th most talented Right handed defenseman on our roster, and so we were either going to have to move him or make someone young and developing like Jones or Ellis play on their off side, which is certainly not ideal for a developing player.

It sucks that he was moved for a dud who didn't pan out(not letting Poile off the hook) but truth be told when Seth Jones fell to us in the draft Kleins days here were numbered.

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as good a guy and teammate as Klein was he was only the 4th most talented Right handed defenseman on our roster, and so we were either going to have to move him or make someone young and developing like Jones or Ellis play on their off side, which is certainly not ideal for a developing player.

It sucks that he was moved for a dud who didn't pan out(not letting Poile off the hook) but truth be told when Seth Jones fell to us in the draft Kleins days here were numbered.
Believe me im not arguing that Jones and Josi are better, the thing is theres no reason to have a top 4 without a stay at home guy. Personally I would like one on the top pair and the second pair. The fanbase has become so adverse to a stay at home guy over the years its makes no sense. That was the step back when losing Suter as well I do not like what Suter did either but its all about defensive responsibility. In truth the defensive falloff last year is what cost Trotz his job. The GA and PK took a hit that the rest of the team could not overcome. Especially when you take into account the impotent offense that was on the ice. Absent the last 10 games of the season and the forwards pushing for some reason( I think to save Trotz job) the numbers would have been worse. When a coach go to a shootout and 3 of the top 3 shooters are defensemen there is a problem. And Trotz did not do this as a joke or anything other than those guys had a better shot of winning the game. I know Doc its not you but many just will not accept that the team the last two season has just been absent talent for the 1st two lines. But many make excuses, well im way past that.

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Did we save the receipt? Let's just take him back for a Klein refund.

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Not too butt hurt about this.
The 80's called... they want their phrase back. Maybe the "use by" date expired?

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