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06-30-2014, 09:27 PM
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First off, i never said don't sign Brassard. But while we are on it, he is an RFA. He has two options: 1-sign what we offer, 2-don't play for an entire season.

Anton Stralman is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. He can sign anywhere for what ever is offered to him.

Hassle of the 500K with Stralman and the Rangers lose their 3rd best defenseman. Then Staal, who is breaking down, becomes an UFA next summer. Are you offering him the 6 million he will command? For a depreciating player that doesn't fit the up-tempo system Vigneault has put in place.

Lose two of your top four defensemen in two sunmers, maybe less.

You are either committing to one or neither of Stralman and Staal. If you commit to one, make sure its the right one. Staal isn't the right one.

Its fine if you don't think I'm right. Lets see what happens. But don't be surprised when Staal becomes labelled as an albatross in a year or two by whoever signs him next summer.
Brassard can also file for arbitration, which is the much more likely outcome to not agreeing to the Rangers offer.

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06-30-2014, 09:28 PM
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Whatever, no Boyle on the market this year is worth 5 million. I have this bad feeling we will get him though, Slats has been after him for a couple years now.
Agree. He's going to garner the $5M, but he sure as hell ain't actually worth it.

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Yup. I'd give him $3M and run.
If you could lock Fayne down really early at that price, I'd turn around and get into the Ehrhoff bidding. If they land Ehrhoff, then they can turn around and flip Klein. Run with:

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Ehrhoff
Moore-Fayne

Plus they can flip Staal later on with this setup. One year later you could have:

McDonagh-Girardi
Skjei-Ehrhoff
Allen-Fayne

Also, no ****ing way do I want Dan Boyle. What a waste of cap space that would be.

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06-30-2014, 09:31 PM
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Yup. I'd give him $3M and run.
That may be the best option at this time

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Just what we need another defenseman eating cap space that brings ZERO offense! But those corsi numbers!
If the idea is to replace Stralman or Staal with a defenseman that puts up numbers, then get creative and put a package together for: Adam Clendening, Ryan Sproul...a young player with breakout potential and huge upside.

Don't go handing out money to Fayne or Boyle. Fayne doesn't put up points.

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I wonder why Strang, Leonard, and Zipay have been quiet but Brooks is out there spitting out everything that's going wrong for the Rangers this off season.
Brooks is a columnist (as well as a reporter). He's reading the tea leaves, while the others don't have enough information to write anything.

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06-30-2014, 09:32 PM
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Y do I have this nagging feeling that I'm going to hate whatever we do, and I'll know right away that the moves were bad for short and long term... I'll hate this team (partially) and be dreading the on ice product we'll see in just a few months.

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06-30-2014, 09:33 PM
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Weaver wanted to stay in Montreal but his demands were too high.

Gleason was a nightmare in Toronto but he's never played for a good team.

these guys are all bound to get overpaid because the crop sucks.

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06-30-2014, 09:34 PM
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Brassard can also file for arbitration, which is the much more likely outcome to not agreeing to the Rangers offer.
And then he plays for the Rangers with the awarded contract. Or again, doesn't play.

He will be a Ranger in 14-15.

This isn't an issue.

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06-30-2014, 09:35 PM
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Brooks is a columnist (as well as a reporter). He's reading the tea leaves, while the others don't have enough information to write anything.
Pretty much. Our beat writers outside of Brooks are about as tapped into the organization as you or I, possibly less!

Yes, he's an ass, but you shouldn't disregard what he's saying just because it isn't a bunch of fluffy, positive crap.

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06-30-2014, 09:37 PM
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The 3 million price tag for X player is more appealing, yes.

The fact it has Fayne's name attached to it doesn't make it appealing at all.

Good luck getting the puck out of the zone and dealing with fast teams with a Staal-Fayne pair.

3 million for Sekera is appealing (2.75), Nick Leddy (2.7)...appealing for Fayne?
For a guy that get the puck out of his zone, Fayne sure does spend a lot of his time in the offensive zone, despite the least favorable zone starts among Devils defensemen.

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That may be the best option at this time
How is making 3 of our top 4 defenseman not fit Vigneault's system the best option?

A system that is built on transition, speed, puck possession, and we would be OK with Girardi, Staal, and Fayne eating up huge minutes?

Homerun passes don't work. Defensmen need mobility.

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06-30-2014, 09:39 PM
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Pretty much. Our beat writers outside of Brooks are about as tapped into the organization as you or I, possibly less!

Yes, he's an ass, but you shouldn't disregard what he's saying just because it isn't a bunch of fluffy, positive crap.
Oh, I agree, been reading Brooks for years. If nothing else, he writes about hockey all year round. And he's not the idiot some people make him out to be. He just plays by different rules because he has both hats (writer and columnist) and he writes for a newspaper that will publish just about any rumor.

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06-30-2014, 09:41 PM
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Rangers beat writers are some of the worst in the league. They do nothing but report after the fact. No inside information, no balls, no contacts.

Gross is useless. Zipay even worse. Leonard writes like he's in high school. Strang is ok.

It wasn't always like this.

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06-30-2014, 09:41 PM
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For a guy that get the puck out of his zone, Fayne sure does spend a lot of his time in the offensive zone, despite the least favorable zone starts among Devils defensemen.
I like advanced stats as much as the next guy, but i'm telling you, you are flat out wrong if you believe Fayne would fit the system Vigneault implemented. Dead wrong.

If he signs, and he somehow proves me wrong, i'll offer you a public apology on these boards.

By the way...did you drop the -31- name?

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06-30-2014, 09:41 PM
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Stepan, McIlrath, 2015 2nd for Spezza

Kreider Spezza St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Miller Kristo/Haggerty/UFA
Carcillo Moore Carter
Fast
Lindberg

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Klein
Moore Engelland
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06-30-2014, 09:42 PM
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Stepan, McIlrath, 2015 2nd for Spezza
You're officially the new bernmeister.

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And then he plays for the Rangers with the awarded contract. Or again, doesn't play.

He will be a Ranger in 14-15.

This isn't an issue.
OR he gets a deal that's too rich for glen's tastes and that creates a problem. If I recall in the new CBA you can't walk away from an arb award over 3.5 million anymore (someone please check). What's to say brass doesn't get something in the 4.5-5 range which screws things up?

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Tomorrow I'd like to see dom Moore and Carcillo (or similar) signed and dan Boyle signed on a 1 yr bonuses deal. Ehrhoff is better but he'll want 5x5, can't afford it. B Boyle, poo and stralman are goners. Zucc doesn't often play LW but I would also love to see Iginla come in on another bonus deal (we can roll over up to 5.2 next year) and push all in on coming back to the finals.

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I like advanced stats as much as the next guy, but i'm telling you, you are flat out wrong if you believe Fayne would fit the system Vigneault implemented. Dead wrong.

If he signs, and he somehow proves me wrong, i'll offer you a public apology on these boards.
A week ago, I thought Fayne was underrated.

Some are now overrating him by thinking he's going to be an adequate Stralman replacement. Fayne would be the 3rd RD paired with John Moore, and Klein would move up with Staal. Fayne is borderline top-4, and he's not close to Stralman's level.

Fayne would fit the system here just fine, but as the 6th D, not as a top-4.

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You're officially the new bernmeister.
except my trades make sense and are realistic.

unless you're a member of the group of fans who think we're going to add a top-line center without giving up anything, or one who thinks we can make it back to the SCF with Stepan-Brassard-Miller down the middle.

We had a ton of bounces / luck on our run to the SCF (as does any team who gets that far), including two game 7's. There's no chance we get back there (let alone win a Cup) with the same roster minus Stralman and with J.T. Miller replacing Richards. You guys are dreaming. We need a first line center. You have to give to get.

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OR he gets a deal that's too rich for glen's tastes and that creates a problem. If I recall in the new CBA you can't walk away from an arb award over 3.5 million anymore (someone please check). What's to say brass doesn't get something in the 4.5-5 range which screws things up?

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Tomorrow I'd like to see dom Moore and Carcillo (or similar) signed and dan Boyle signed on a 1 yr bonuses deal. Ehrhoff is better but he'll want 5x5, can't afford it. B Boyle, poo and stralman are goners. Zucc doesn't often play LW but I would also love to see Iginla come in on another bonus deal (we can roll over up to 5.2 next year) and push all in on coming back to the finals.
You are talking about an offer sheet, which is different than going to an arbitor.

If a team puts out a huge offer sheet for Brassard, you take the (most likely, without looking it up) 1st round pick.

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Stepan, McIlrath, 2015 2nd for Spezza
We've been through this already. That's just awful man. Think of a different solution.

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except my trades make sense and are realistic.

unless you're a member of the group of fans who think we're going to add a top-line center without giving up anything, or one who thinks we can make it back to the SCF with Stepan-Brassard-Miller down the middle.

We had a ton of bounces / luck on our run to the SCF (as does any team who gets that far), including two game 7's. There's no chance we get back there (let alone win a Cup) with the same roster minus Stralman and with J.T. Miller replacing Richards. You guys are dreaming. We need a first line center. You have to give to get.
You really think giving up Stepan and McI for a 33-34 year old center is a good idea? I don't. And knowing our luck, Spezza will decline the moment he plays a game here.

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OR he gets a deal that's too rich for glen's tastes and that creates a problem. If I recall in the new CBA you can't walk away from an arb award over 3.5 million anymore (someone please check). What's to say brass doesn't get something in the 4.5-5 range which screws things up?

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Tomorrow I'd like to see dom Moore and Carcillo (or similar) signed and dan Boyle signed on a 1 yr bonuses deal. Ehrhoff is better but he'll want 5x5, can't afford it. B Boyle, poo and stralman are goners. Zucc doesn't often play LW but I would also love to see Iginla come in on another bonus deal (we can roll over up to 5.2 next year) and push all in on coming back to the finals.
In the unlikely event that we trade Staal for a top-line center, then it opens up the possibility of Brassard being dealt to recoup what we lost in Staal (not going to fully replace his minutes, role, or abilities, but a guy on a cheaper deal who can play top-4 minutes ala Nick Leddy)

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Hagelin Miller Kristo/Haggerty/UFA
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Moore Engelland
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Lundqvist
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For the love of god, stop.

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