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Sutter + Martin for your TOP-6 Winger

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07-02-2014, 03:12 PM
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Said he wanted around 3M. I don't see the problem in that, other than JR might want to grab a winger.
Okay that could be an issue. Ducks didn't even want to give Perrault 3 million. Perhaps they would be more willing to spend on Sutter.

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I would have to think the Islanders would be quite interested depended on the price.

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That fills two huge needs for the leafs...hmm

Sutter + Martin + 1st 2015 for JVR?

Gives the Pens a cost controlled first line winger, and for the leafs, they fill their top pairing need, get an elite 3rd line center, which auto makes the bottom 6 more respectable, and I think those two aren't worth JVR, so a late first covers the cost.

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Would pens have any interest in Lupul, If the pens need a dman back we can include Franson.

Lupul+ Franson+ a pick or prospect for Martin and Sutter?

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That fills two huge needs for the leafs...hmm

Sutter + Martin + 1st 2015 for JVR?

Gives the Pens a cost controlled first line winger, and for the leafs, they fill their top pairing need, get an elite 3rd line center, which auto makes the bottom 6 more respectable, and I think those two aren't worth JVR, so a late first covers the cost.
I don't want to trade Martin, but a thousand times yes on this deal.

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Would pens have any interest in Lupul, If the pens need a dman back we can include Franson.

Lupul+ Franson+ a pick or prospect for Martin and Sutter?
No on this. Martin>Lupul and Sutter>Franson in value.

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How about Marleau?

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That fills two huge needs for the leafs...hmm

Sutter + Martin + 1st 2015 for JVR
Martin is already 33 and injury prone, no chance I move JVR for him a late first and Sutter

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This thread is so confusing. You want to trade an elite 3C ( who can move up to 2C) and a borderline first pariring PMD who's willing to play for $3 million and all you want back is a 2nd line winger?

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Martin is already 33 and injury prone, no chance I move JVR for him a late first and Sutter
No he's not. He missed over 30% of the games in only 2 seasons in his career.

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What teams are looking for a top pairing d man and a #3 center with spot duty as a #2?
How about either, Bailey, Nielsen (he can play wing) or Grabner and Donovan? You would save about $3,000,000 in cap space.

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How about Setoguchi?

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Okay that could be an issue. Ducks didn't even want to give Perrault 3 million. Perhaps they would be more willing to spend on Sutter.
I don't see why not. Everybody blames Pens fans for saying Sutter isn't a potential 2C, but he his. He has been with Adams (top 5 worst in the league), Glass (don't even ask he got benched 6 games against the Rangers), Kobasew (he couldn't even get into the KHL), and Pyatt (who **** knows where he went). Him and Gibbons were good together (Gibbons is gone but replacements coming). I probably went to in depth there, but whatever.
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I would have to think the Islanders would be quite interested depended on the price.
Nelson for Martin+Sutter?
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I don't want to trade Martin, but a thousand times yes on this deal.

No on this. Martin>Lupul and Sutter>Franson in value.
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Would pens have any interest in Lupul, If the pens need a dman back we can include Franson.

Lupul+ Franson+ a pick or prospect for Martin and Sutter?
No thank you. Franson for a mid pick because we lack RHD. You guys could probably get a 2nd anyway, but you never know.
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That fills two huge needs for the leafs...hmm

Sutter + Martin + 1st 2015 for JVR?

Gives the Pens a cost controlled first line winger, and for the leafs, they fill their top pairing need, get an elite 3rd line center, which auto makes the bottom 6 more respectable, and I think those two aren't worth JVR, so a late first covers the cost.
Yes x1000

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How about either, Bailey, Nielsen (he can play wing) or Grabner and Donovan? You would save about $3,000,000 in cap space.
The last thing we need is another young D and 3rd line wingers.

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Yeah Brandon Sutter who's nothing more then a glorified 3rd line center and defenseman Paul Martin who can never stay healthy enough. Is'nt going to get you a decent top 6 winger. Just not going to happen.
Not sure which Paul Martin you have been paying attention to. Obviously, not the one who has been healthy for the better part of his career, and has been the Pens most consistent defenseman over the past couple of seasons.

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How about Setoguchi?
Its been discussed if JR couldn't do better, nothing against Seto, there are just better options and fits for us.

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I would do Lupul+Brown

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This thread is so confusing. You want to trade an elite 3C ( who can move up to 2C) and a borderline first pariring PMD who's willing to play for $3 million and all you want back is a 2nd line winger?
Yes.

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Not sure which Paul Martin you have been paying attention to. Obviously, not the one who has been healthy for the better part of his career, and has been the Pens most consistent defenseman over the past couple of seasons.
Okay he has'nt the last two seasons.

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Oilers should have interest, but not sure which of our wingers you would want considering Eberle, Hall and likely Yakupov would all be off the table for this deal. Is it really a top 6 winger you are after, or is it really a top line winger? We love Perron, but he might be available to fill two holes like this.

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No he's not. He missed over 30% of the games in only 2 seasons in his career.
He hasn't played a full season since 06-07, that's injury prone to me.

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This thread is so confusing. You want to trade an elite 3C ( who can move up to 2C) and a borderline first pariring PMD who's willing to play for $3 million and all you want back is a 2nd line winger?
I've just come to accept the fact that 95% of HF will never agree with each other re: player/prospect/pick value. Compare all the proposals on here over the past month involving Kesler, Spezza, and Neal, and then look at what they actually got in a trade, it's hilarious.

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Okay he has'nt the last two seasons.
He's been dominant the last two playoff runs though, including playing through injuries. I suppose if your aspiration is to win the regular season, then Martin is not your guy.

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Oilers should have interest, but not sure which of our wingers you would want considering Eberle, Hall and likely Yakupov would all be off the table for this deal. Is it really a top 6 winger you are after, or is it really a top line winger? We love Perron, but he might be available to fill two holes like this.
Yeah. Martin+Sutter for Perron is a done deal for me. Bit of overpayment on our part IMO, but Perron would be nuts with Sid.

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Would Sharks fans do Sutter+Martin for Burns? Lupul plus also doesn't sound bad.
Sharks are moving Burns back to defence so they wouldn't do it plus they're set at centre.

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Oilers should have interest, but not sure which of our wingers you would want considering Eberle, Hall and likely Yakupov would all be off the table for this deal. Is it really a top 6 winger you are after, or is it really a top line winger? We love Perron, but he might be available to fill two holes like this.
Would think Hall is untouchable, but not so much Eberle/Yak. Eberle for sure is one of the Pensboards mancrushes along with E. Kane and ROR, so there'd be interest (at least from a fans perspective). Only issue is with Martin having a year left and Edmonton convincing him to re-sign, otherwise it's a moot point. I do like Perron, but I think if Martin and Sutter are both going, Edmonton has to add, otherwise make it Sutter+ and leave Martin out of it.

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